[gnso-consumercci-dt] FW: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Consumercci-dt
Dear All- For your information and consideration, I have updated the attached Definitions Review Tool to reflect the notes from today's discussion. The yellow highlighted cells reflect the most recent discussions. Also, the chat transcript from today's call is described below. Best regards, Margie ________ Margie Milam Senior Policy Counselor ICANN ________ -----Original Message----- From: margie.milam@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:margie.milam@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:24 PM To: Margie Milam Subject: Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Consumercci-dt wseltzer:I joined the call. Gisella Gruber-White:Apologies - my AC room dropped. Jonathan Zuck joined as well as Wendy Margie Milam:The info from the email is in the Notes Section CLO:I thought we had DITCHED ALL from last sentence Margie Milam:"all" is deleted from 3.3. wseltzer:ICANN agrees to follow applicable national law, not to enforce it wseltzer:test CLO:there are 2 3.3's on the screed and Rosemary read the first sorry wseltzer:(high latency here) Margie Milam:soory- I kept prior versions for informational purposes Margie Milam:I can delete if that makes sense CLO:happy woth the secod VERSION without ALL Margie Milam:my fault too! Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I think the last sentence could be:... and national laws. because if are law, are applicables so for me is redundant mention "applicable" Michael:which "national laws" would be applicable - meaning which countries? Is it where the REgistry operates or is incorporated? CLO:Yes the 'common use' of applicable national laws makes it FINE for me.... CLO:yup wseltzer:good question, Michael CLO:if we have a difficulty with the term here then we have it in all places it is used in ICANN wseltzer:that's one of the reasons I think the whole concept is unhelpful wseltzer:AC keeps dying on me ... CLO:which is BTW not our mandate to fix BTW BUT if we do not limit the terminology to National Laws that relate to DNS matters then the opposite problem occurs does it not with too wider scope of reference Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:all national laws into thier countries borders are applicable Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:so, for me is redundant to mentioning "applicable" CLO:I'm OK with relevant and applicable as WS suggests wseltzer:Trust refers to the confidence registrants and users can have in theconsistency of name resolution (from the registrar and registry), and Steve DelBianco:I had suggested adding this phrase to address Wendy's request: ... that resolutions occur reliably ... Michael:So perhaps to better narrow the scope, which is what the term "applicable" is meant to do then can we change to "applicable national laws related to the Domain Name System"? Steve DelBianco:to Michael: in all the places where ICANN already commits to national laws, we don't ever qualify it that way. This would be a magnet for criticism from governments if we try to limit it. wseltzer:Steve, there's a difference between ICANN agre3eing to comply and forcing or monitoring others to do so Steve DelBianco:niether is required here, Wendy. We're talking about definition of Consumer Trust. Not ICANN's obligations wseltzer:and we sure don't want to be mimicking US federal government contracting with its ever-expanding set of FARs wseltzer:and consumers trust bearers of puppies. SHall we add some of those? Margie Milam:Look at the Notes section-- do I have it captured correctly? Rosemary:thanks Margie Steve DelBianco:Affirmation: Review 9.3: when new gTLDs have been in operation for one year, ICANN will organize a review to examine the extent to which the introduction or expansion of gTLDs has promoted competition, consumer trust and consumer choice wseltzer:We need to distinguish between trusting the institutional framework and trusting the actors. Jonathan Zuck:I think it's a fantasy to keep those separate in the minds of consumers Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I think we are talking about the institutional framework, but agree with Jonathan is impossible to separate two concepts in the minds of consumers wseltzer:the standiard in a different context CLO:1.4 IS where we are Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:IMHO All definitions of competition forget the idea of consumers. The competition laws have been fixed in defense of the consumers rather than the enterprises Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:given the possibility to the consumers to have the possibility to choose among different vendors Margie Milam:yes- I am taking notes Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:I think the idea of competition is not only about against monopoly. What is the measure a good market if we not think in consumers ? Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:we can`t separate the three ideas, consumer choise, consumer trust and competition are all in favor of consumers. A happy consumer is a good measure metric of competition, consumer trust and consumer choice. Margie Milam:Look at the Notes section-- I have captured the metrics discussed today Steve DelBianco:Margie's notes look good to me CLO:my audio has faded to un usable can I be dialed back please need to disconnect and try for new line CLO:Back audio fine now wseltzer:it still says something about the marketplace Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:@Margie: I thinh we can include in your Metrics so far notes: a good resolution disputes regulation Jonathan Robinson:I have to drop off now. Have caught up. Will aim to provide decent input in future. Thanks. Jonathan. Steve DelBianco:some of opur metrics are not direct measures bu are indirect measures of a larger goal, like Competition Carlos Dionisio Aguirre:or mediate or immediate measures wseltzer:and I'd be happier if trust weren't here ... Steve DelBianco:some that Compeittion is captured in CHOICE from perspective of registrants and users Steve DelBianco:THat was the BC's original proposal! Competition is the availability of multiple suitable TLDs and multiple Registrars where registrants may seek their desired domain name at reasonable prices and terms.
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