RE: [gnso-geo-dg] Principles and comments

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Olga.  I should have assumed that or at least looked at Denise's 
message.  I now understand the latter half of the second part but I think I 
will ask Denise the question about 'At-Large'.
 
Chuck


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        From: olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Olga Cavalli
        Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 8:52 PM
        To: Gomes, Chuck
        Cc: gnso-geo-dg@xxxxxxxxx
        Subject: Re: [gnso-geo-dg] Principles and comments
        
        
        Chuck,
        in relation with the two sentences included at the beginning of the 
document as Mission (of our group) I copied - pasted it for our reference from 
Denise Michel original message sent on July 15th. I thought that perhaps we 
could discuss it during the call, or eventually ask Denise for clarification.
        I included Denise´s email below, for our reference.
        I will add the new principle and comments to the new version of the 
document and will send it to the list.
        
        Regards
        Olga
        
        
        From: "Denise Michel" <denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:denise.michel@xxxxxxxxx> >
        Date: 15 July 2008 13:51:57 EDT
        To: "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
        Cc: policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx> 
        Subject: ccNSO Proposal to review Definition of ICANN Geographic Regions
        
        
        Dear Avri and Chuck:   
        
        The ICANN Board invited the ICANN community (including the ALAC, ASO, 
ccNSO, GAC and GNSO) to provide input on the proposal by the ccNSO to appoint a 
community-wide working group to review the structure of ICANN's present 
Geographic Regions and related issues. 
        
        The Board recognized that any potential change to ICANN Geographic 
Regions would have "wide-spread effect" in ICANN and that it should seek the 
views of the other Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees before 
taking further action. The ICANN Board directed Staff to summarize and analyze 
that community input and to subsequently prepare a report for consideration to 
the Board.
        
        The GNSO is kindly requested to provide input, if any, on the suggested 
formation of a community wide working group, and its mandate. 
        
        Staff is targeting a Board report, summarizing all responses received, 
by early September. We hope that the GNSO will be able to provide input on the 
relative importance of the Geographic Regions structure to the At-Large 
community in general and to the value of a community-wide working group 
specifically, by that time. We expect that the proposed working group, if 
ultimately formed, will reach out to the broader community to seek further 
input and perspectives.
        
        Thank you very much for your attention to this matter.  For your 
convenience links to relevant background documents are included below. Please 
contact Rob Hoggarth, Senior Policy Director (policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:policy-staff@xxxxxxxxx> ), who is staffing this issue, if you have any 
questions. We look forward to following-up with the GNSO. 
        
        Regards,
        
        Denise Michel
        Vice President Policy 
        ...............................................
        
        
        
        
        2008/8/14 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
        

                Thanks Olga.  Very nicely organized.
                 
                I have one question and also want to add a principle.
                 
                In the second item under Mission, you refer to "the At-Large 
community ".  I am curious why you say the 'At-Large community' with At-Large 
in caps.  That causes me to conclude that you mean the At-Large organization as 
defined in ICANN structure.  I am guessing that you really mean the at-large 
community (no caps), meaning the overall ICANN community, of which the At-Large 
is one subset.  Am I correct?  If so, I would suggest deleting 'At-Large' so 
that it says, "To provide input on the relative importance of the Geographic 
Regions structure to the community in general and . . ."  Also, I am not clear 
on what you mean by the second part of that item: ". . and to the value of a 
community-wide working group specifically".
                 
                Here's the principle I would like to add: "The value of any 
individual selected from a geographic region is proportional to the degree to 
which that person represents interests of that region."  What I am trying to 
say here is something like this: 1) selecting someone to participate from a 
specific geographical region only contributes to the goal of geographic 
diversity if that person in some measurable way is able to represent the views 
of that region; 2) this does not mean that that person must be selected by some 
body to represent them but rather that there is some basis for expecting that 
the person understands the concerns of the region and thus is qualified to 
represent those concerns; 3) the importance of representativeness for people 
who are selected for geographic diversity reasons to serve in some capacity is 
very similar to the importance of representativeness of GNSO constituencies and 
the concept is important in both cases.  Unfortunately, what I think we 
sometimes end up doing is selecting a person to meet a regional requirement 
without any consideration whether or not that really accomplishes the 
underlying goals of the requirement, i.e., to involve someone who can 
articulate the needs and views of people from that region.  This makes me 
wonder whether geographic diversity requirements should be more than simply 
citizenship of the person involved.
                 
                Chuck
                 


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                        From: owner-gnso-geo-dg@xxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:owner-gnso-geo-dg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olga Cavalli
                        Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:11 PM
                        To: gnso-geo-dg@xxxxxxxxx
                        Cc: Olga Cavalli
                        Subject: [gnso-geo-dg] Principles and comments
                        
                        
                        Dear collegues,
                        I have drafted a document that includes the principles 
and comments recieved until today.
                        After each paragraph I included the innitials of each 
of us, so we can discuss on each topic during the call on Monday.
                        Please feel free to suggest adds or changes and also 
let me know if there is missed information or any missunderstanding of the 
ideas.
                        Best regards
                        Olga