RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012

[Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>]

Hi,

I am very glad that  you consider this ridiculous.  On the other hand I have a 
very clear view of how this WG, oh I mean DT, behaved last time it had a 
'consensus' and do not consider such fears at all ridiculous.  If I see what 
looks to me like a repeat of the railroad behavior of last time, I am going to 
call, it for what it appears to be,

avri

"Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Avri,
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>Thanks for clarifying.  In fairness to Jeff, he asked for an NCSG
>position not a personal opinion and if Wolfgang said it was a personal
>opinion, I missed it, but I confess that I had a little trouble
>understanding him, so it is quite possible that I missed it.
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>I find it really surprising that you would say “I really hope that we
>are not once again using this DT to suppress disagreement.”  That is
>ridiculous in my opinion.  It was made extremely clear that every
>statement of disagreement would be included and there was absolutely no
>effort to encourage participants to agree let alone not allow them to
>speak freely.
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>You appear to be defining consensus as unanimous agreement.  In the
>call yesterday, it was agreed that we did not have that on
>recommendation 2; but there was very strong support for it from
>everyone on the call and some who communicated support before the call.
>We may have come close to having that on recommendation 1 as long as we
>recognize that there were several who said that they didn’t think a PDP
>was necessary but were willing to compromise in supporting it as a
>result of the group discussions.
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>No one had only one day to submit comments.  We have all had weeks to
>write those and more specifically we have known that 26 September was
>our deadline for at least two weeks.  Also, we have had the final
>wording of the consensus call recommendations for about a week.  Quite
>a few participants in our discussion group submitted statements before
>yesterday’s call that will be included.
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>I do have one question for you.  Was the NCSG unanimous in its
>opposition to recommendation 2?  At one point you indicated that there
>was not total NCSG agreement; it would be informative to find out the
>level of agreement in the NCSG.
>
>Chuck
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>From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:23 AM
>To: Neuman, Jeff; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'; Wolfgang Kleinwächter
>Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26
>September 2012
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>hi,
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>He informed the NCSG list that he was speaking purely personally and
>not for the NCSG.
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>I really hope that we are not once again using this DT to suppress
>disagreement. I have been very clear for a while now that you do not
>have agreement from the NCSG for a moratorium recommendation. To miss
>one meeting and have that erased would really be a misuse of even this
>misapplication of GNSO process.
>
>I know it is predetermined that they will get special privileges not
>available to others and not established through proper process, but it
>should not go down as something that has consensus.
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>Also giving only one day for the submission of comments is a bit
>arbitrary and prejudicial in my opinion.
>"Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>wrote:
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>Avri,
>
>We are going to open up a public comment period on everything that has
>been received by COB today (wherever you are in the world)...just so
>Berry and ICANN has it when they come into the office in the morning
>Friday,  that said, Wolfgang was on from the NCSG yesterday, but did
>not express opposition to the moratorium.  I thought, and we can check
>the recording, that he said the NCSG supported the recommendations.  I
>could be off base, and Berry was taking notes so he can correct me.
>
>In either case, that opinion is not set in stone, but it is important
>as it sounded like on the call the was indeed a consensus on all of the
>recommendations (if just a rough consensus).  So, if you could confirm
>the NCSG position that would be great.
>
>Thanks.
>
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>Message-----
>From:  Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
>To: gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26
>September 2012
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>I unfortunately could not attend the meeting.
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>I want to make it clear that I do not support a the moratorium, but do
>support the PDP
>I also believe that this is the position of the NCSG.
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>I hope that this is what was conveyed by the lone NCSG participant.
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>What is the deadline for opposing statements?
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>Nathalie Peregrine
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> Dear all,
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>Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC/GNSO issues related to
>International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Red Cross (RC) names
>discussion group teleconference held on Wednesday 26 September 2012  at
>1800 UTC at:
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>   http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-ioc-20120926-en.mp3
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>  On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#sep
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>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
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>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
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> Attendees
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>  Jeff Neuman -  Registry SG group leader
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>   Wolfgang Kleinwachter – NCUC
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>   Lanre Ajayi - Nominating Committee Appointee
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>   Alan Greenberg – ALAC
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>   Chuck Gomes - RySG
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>  Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
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>  David Heasley - IPC
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>   Jim Bikoff – IPC
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>   Stéphane Hankins – International Co!
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>of the Red Cross
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>   Thomas Rickert - Nominating Committee Appointee
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>   Osvaldo Novao -ISPC
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>  Apology :
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>   Avri Doria –  NCSG
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>   J.Scott Evans – IPC
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>   Gregory Shatan – IPC
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>   Mary Wong - NCUC
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>   Brian Peck
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>  ICANN Staff
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>   Margie Milam
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>   Berry Cobb
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>   Nathalie Peregrine
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> Nathalie
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