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RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012

  • To: "avri@xxxxxxx" <avri@xxxxxxx>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 September 2012
  • From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 18:37:49 +0000

Avri,

I find it surprising that you are approaching this in an emotional way.  Where 
you and I do not always agree on positions, I have always found you to be 
objective.  How am I trying to divide and conquer?  Why would I do that?  I 
honestly felt that it was wrong to imply that disagreement was suppressed 
because that questions the integrity of the process, especially when I strongly 
believe there was not one bit of evidence to support that.

I have absolutely no problem with the NCSG opposing recommendation 2 and in 
fact was quite surprised in the call yesterday when I thought I understood 
otherwise because you have been very clear on that.  That needed to be 
corrected and you did that.

If there is ever evidence of suppressing disagreement, it should be called out, 
but making suggestions that it happened is not constructive to our work when no 
such evidence exists.

Chuck

From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Wendy Seltzer; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Neuman, Jeff; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26 
September 2012

Wolfgang gave the wrong impression.

The NCUC does not in any way or manner support a temporary reservation by 
whatever name it goes.

The NCSG has also takes that position.

and i have informed the group of this often, no mater how Chuck now tries to 
divide and conquer.

NPOC is in the NCSG Policy Committee and has not voiced an opinion other that 
the one that says the solution must include UN and other humanitarian 
organizations. But they don't need to as the Policy Committee works on rough 
consensus and being silent is good enough. Yes it would have been really nifty 
if they had come out with a statement since you choose not to believe me. 
Nonetheless this is the view of the NCSG:

- no temporary reservations, no new adhoc reserved names lists, no moratoria.
- yes PDP
Wendy Seltzer <wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

On 09/27/2012 09:38 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

Wendy,

I assume you mean recommendation 2 and any references to it in 3.

Thanks for the clarification, Chuck.  I read too quickly.
We reject the temporary registration block in paragraph 2, and its
communication as described in 3b.

Is that a unanimous position from the NCSG?  Did the NPOC take the same 
position?

I have not heard opposition on the NCSG discussion list.

--Wendy


Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-iocrc-
dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dt@xxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:50 AM
To: Neuman, Jeff
Cc: 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx'
Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance 26
September 2012


Like Avri, I believe NCSG rejects the 3b "temporary registration
block."

We support the PDP only on the condition that among the possible
outcomes is the current status quo, no protection at the second level,
(but support the PDP as the appropriate place to resolve among
competing proposals), so we would not change that before the policy
development runs its course.

--Wendy


On 09/27/2012 07:30 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:

Avri,

We are going to open up a public comment period on everything that

has been received by COB today (wherever you are in the world)...just
so Berry and ICANN has it when they come into the office in the morning
Friday,  that said, Wolfgang was on from the NCSG yesterday, but did
not express opposition to the moratorium.  I thought, and we can check
the recording, that he said the NCSG supported the recommendations.  I
could be off base, and Berry was taking notes so he can correct me.

In either case, that opinion is not set in stone, but it is important

as it sounded like on the call the was indeed a consensus on all of the
recommendations (if just a !

 rough

consensus).  So, if you could confirm
the NCSG position that would be great.

Thanks.



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-----Original Message-----
From:  Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 02:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
To: gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-iocrc-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-iocrc-dt] IOCR discussion group - MP3, attendance

26 September 2012

I unfortunately could not attend the meeting.

I want to make it clear that I do not support a the moratorium, but

do

support the PDP I also believe that this is the position of the NCSG.

I hope that this is what was conveyed by the lone NCSG participant.

What is the deadline for opposing statements?


Nathalie Peregrine 
<nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:nathalie.peregrine@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



 Dear all,



  Please find the MP3 recording of the GAC/GNSO issues

related to International Olympic Committee (IOC) and Red Cross (RC)
names discussion group teleconference held on Wednesday 26 September
2012  at 1800 UTC at:



  http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-gac-ioc-20120926-en.mp3



  On page: http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/#sep



 The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the

GNSO Master Calendar page:

  http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
<

http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/><http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/%3e>;





 Attendees

  Jeff Neuman -  Registry SG group leader

   Wolfgang Kleinwachter - NCUC

   Lanre Ajayi - Nominating Committee Appointee

   Alan Greenberg - ALAC

   Chuck Gomes - RySG

  Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC

  David Heasley - I!

 PC

   Jim Bikoff - IPC

   St├ęphane Hankins - International Committee of the Red

Cross

   Thomas Rickert - Nominating Committee Appointee

   Osvaldo Novao -ISPC





  Apology :

   Avri Doria -  NCSG

   J.Scott Evans - IPC

   Gregory Shatan - IPC

   Mary Wong - NCUC

   Brian Peck



  ICANN Staff

   Margie Milam

   Berry Cobb

   Nathalie Peregrine





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Avri Doria



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