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[gnso-iocrc-dt] MP3 IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group - 7 November 2012

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  • Subject: [gnso-iocrc-dt] MP3 IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group - 7 November 2012
  • From: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:54:02 -0800

Dear All,

The next call for the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) 
Working Group is scheduled on 14 November 2012 at 19:00 UTC.

Please find the MP3 recording of the IGO-INGO Protections Policy Development 
Process (PDP) Working Group  teleconference held on Wednesday 7 November 2012  
at 1900 UTC at:


On page: 

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master 
Calendar page:



Alan Greenberg – ALAC

Jonathan Robinson - RySG

Jeff Neuman -  Registry SG group leader

Lanre Ajayi - Nominating Committee Appointee

Alan Greenberg – ALAC

Osvaldo Novao -ISPC

Chuck Gomes - RySG

Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC

Jim Bikoff – IPC

Catherine Gribbin – Canadian Red Cross

Brett Faussett – IPC

Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC

Donna Austin – Ausregistry

Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP

Iliya Bazlyankov – RrSG

Christopher Rassi – Red Cross

David Maher – RySG

Donna Austin – RySG

Stephane Hankins - IPC

Elizabeth Finberg - RySG

Apology :

Mary W.S Wong - NCSG

Debra Hughes – Red Cross

Thomas Rickert - Nominating Committee Appointee

Wolfgang Kleinwachter – NCUC

Gregory Shatan – IPC

J.Scott Evans - IPC

ICANN Staff:

Margie Milam

Brian Peck

Berry Cobb

Glen De Saint Géry

Julia Charvolen

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

Thank you.

Kind regards,

Julia Charvolen

For GNSO Secretariat

Adobe Chat Transcript:
Berry Cobb:Welcome to the 7 NOV IOC-RCRC / IGO-INGO Conference Call.
  Berry Cobb:Please note that this is a split meeting.  We will cover IOC-RCRC 
for the first 45 min.
  Berry Cobb:We ask only participants of the IOC-RCRC DT participate in the 
first session, but all are welcome to listen in.
  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):I am on the call
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Hi All.  For attendance purposes, I'm joined by David 
  Osvaldo Novoa:sorry I got cut out. I'm back now
  Osvaldo Novoa 2:I apologize for my duplicated connection, I have a problem 
with my laptop so I'm also connected with my iPad.
  Alan Greenberg:sorry to be late. calling in now.
  Alan Greenberg:as soon as a coordinator assists me momentarily.
  Berry Cobb:http://forum.icann.org/lists/ioc-rcrc-recommendations/msg00014.html
  Berry Cobb:We should just remove reference to UN6
  Kiran Malancharuvil:I agree
  Kiran Malancharuvil:That is correct Alan, the GAC request more than what 
ended up in the AGB
  Kiran Malancharuvil:*requested
  Berry Cobb:Schedule A contains the list from the GAC.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Berry
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Thank YOU Jeff!
  Berry Cobb:I will send out to the list later today the members of the WG.  It 
will also show who has submitted their SOI and who has not.
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:no objection
  Kiran Malancharuvil:no objection
  David Maher:I regret that I cannot participate in this discussion. 
Construction is going on in an adjacent office and i must remain on Mute
  David Maher:I agree w/ Chuck
  Donna Austin:What is the risk to the IOC of keeping the two groups together?
  David Maher:What if every member of  the WG joins both subgroups?
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Donna - I don't understand what you mean my "risk," but 
the issue is one of time and resources wasted on revisiting from scratch an 
issue that has been beaten to death over the last few years.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:David - would that be a problem?
  David Maher:Not that I see
  Kiran Malancharuvil:I agree.
  Margie Milam:thats right-- that was the staff perspective....
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Alan - the Subgroup A will expedite that issue and be 
done quickly.  THey would not run parallel for long.
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I agree with Alan's point. There is a great deal of 
overlap between the subjects. Makes more sense to work just once.
  Alan Greenberg:@ Kiran, all the more reason that there is no need to divide. 
But I am not at all sure that your scenario is how it will play out,
  Kiran Malancharuvil:how do you figure that is a reason not to divide?  if you 
bog down consideration of the IOC Red Cross issue with the larger issue on 
which much work is needed, how does that allow the issue to be expedited?
  David Maher:I wish I could speak, but the construction noise would make it 
impossible for anyone to hear me
  David Maher:that's correct
  Alan Greenberg:@KIran, if the workload for RCRC/IOC is substantive, it will 
be a heavy load to have the two groups working in parallel, if it is not 
substantive, it will not slow down the overall work.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:the susbtantive work has already been done Alan.
  Osvaldo Novoa:I agree with the proposal
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I don't believe that all the work has been done 
yet. Even assuming that the IOC/RC are entitled to special protections, we need 
to decide what those special protections are and how they will be implemented.
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:We use the phrase special protection a lot, but it 
doesn't have an agreed meaning yet.
  Donna Austin:Is there an assumption that because GAC advice has been provided 
that means that the work has been done. Please excuse my ignorance on this, I'm 
a latecomer on this group.
  Alan Greenberg:@Kiran: doing them serially or interlaced than will not be a 
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Alan, we are like two ships passing in the night.
  Kiran Malancharuvil::)
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Donna - GAC advice is not the sole basis on our opinion 
that we have done the work.  It's also the unredacted board paper with inside 
and outside counsel opinion, and over a year of discussion with the GNSO 
including presentation by both the IOC and Red Cross.
  Donna Austin:Thanks Kiran
  Kiran Malancharuvil:Why not say "the group can consider the following"
  Berry Cobb:Just to point out.  If we do not get the Charter agreed upon 
today, the next GNSO Council meeting is not scheduled until 20 DEC 2012.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:What about:  "Without duplicating work that has already 
been done by the IOC/RCRC DT, the group may consider the following."
  Berry Cobb:proposed change.... "** Given commitment to expedite the PDP 
process, an effort should be taken to avoid duplication of past efforts with 
respect to IOC-RCRC"
  Kiran Malancharuvil:NOT THE GROUP WILL
  Kiran Malancharuvil:the group MAY
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:We are going to AVOID the duplication of work and 
we MAY consider the Arvri list of subjects.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:I want to see it in writing Alan, as we often duplicate 
efforts in ICANN.
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I agree with Alan's statement. I don't want to 
duplicate any work. At the same time, I don't believe we should cede to 
previous groups the policy decisions we are asked to examine.
  David Maher:I agree
  David Maher:I also agree w/ jeff's point
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:I agree with Jeff's point, as well.
  Alan Greenberg:@Jeff +1
  Jonathan Robinson:@Jeff +1
  David Maher:Not only am I unable to speak, I can only hear the proceedings 
part of the time because of construction noise. Sorry
  Alan Greenberg:Will consider is good wording
  Jeff Neuman:All - i need to drop.  I will trust Chuck, David, Elizabeth and 
the other registries to speak for me.
  Jeff Neuman:thanks everyone
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:sorry, my call just dropped.
  Berry Cobb:** Given the commitment to expedite the PDP process, the WG will 
consider the work and documents produced by the IOC-RCRC DT, but an effort 
should be taken to avoid duplication of past efforts with respect to IOC-RCRC
  David Maher:I think Jeff dropped off
  David Maher:are we going to consider the legal question that I sent to the 
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:I agree with Chguck.  stop after the comma
  Berry Cobb:** Given the commitment to expedite the PDP process, the WG will 
consider the work and documents produced by the IOC-RCRC DT.
  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):We should consider the legal question after the charter
  Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:That sounds right Berry.
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:acceptable to me
  Jonathan Robinson:I have to leave the call now.  Apologies and thanks all.
  David Maher:OK by me
  Berry Cobb:** Given the commitment to expedite the PDP process, the WG will 
consider the work and documents produced/used by the IOC-RCRC DT.
  David Maher:no objection
  Berry Cobb:** Given the commitment to expedite the PDP process, the WG will 
consider the work and documents used by the IOC-RCRC DT.
  Berry Cobb:** Given the commitment to expedite the PDP process, the WG will 
consider the work and documents used by the IOC-RCRC DT with regard to the 
IOC-RCRC terms.
  David Maher:it's not part of the charter
  Osvaldo Novoa:I can do it if you want
  Osvaldo Novoa:sorry I have to leave now
  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):David - are you able to talk about the legal request
  David Maher:no
  David Maher:It is different, and I don't believe the other review that Alan 
mentioned is worth making.
  Berry Cobb:Brian, what did you want me to post to AC?
  David Maher:All that will happen is to get a lot of conflicting opinions.
  David Maher:The fundamental question is the one that the RySG has proposed.
  David Maher:We know all we nned to know about the existence of the treaties 
and statutes. The question is whether ICANN is undeer any obligation under 
those treaties and statutes.
  David Maher:+1 chuck
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:I agree
  David Maher:+1 chuck
  David Maher:The unredacted opinion does not answer the qeustions.
  Kiran Malancharuvil:because the term INGO is way broader than just the IOC 
and RCRC I think we do specifically need to cite the two organizations
  Alan Greenberg:I am assuming that they do not know of such laws, otherwise we 
surely should have been alerted to them already!!
  David Maher:That's a logical assumption
  Alan Greenberg:If the converse is true, one must question why we were not 
told of them.
  David Maher:and it would be useless
  Elizabeth Finberg 2:agree.  focus should be on policy.
  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):thanks Margie
  Chuck Gomes (Verisign):Thanks Brian & Berry all all
  David Maher:+1

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