Re: [gnso-irtpc] Chat transcript IRTP Part C F2F meeting

[Paul Diaz <pdiaz@xxxxxxx>]

In response to the following from Wednesday's IRTP-C WG meeting:

Rob Golding (othello): to clarify my point/question - it _appears_ that 
registries are applying their own rules/practices to the "change of registrant" 
processes, but locking the domains for "a period" from inter-registrar-transfer 
after certain updates - PIR/ORG appear to lock the domain for 60 days after 
changes to contacts for example, we need clarification from the registries what 
they do (if anything) and (a) publish that so everyone knows and (b) potetially 
have it changed inline with the final report/recommendations

Rob Golding (othello):such actions increase our support load in terms of 
clients wanting to transfer in/out, especially in line with WDRP emails, they 
login, update, and then find they cant move the domain if they want to

PIR wants to clarify that we do not/not automatically lock a domain name for 
60-days following a change in the registrant's contact information.  While it's 
possible for the Registrar of Record to submit an EPP command to lock the 
domain in such a situation, the .ORG Registry Operator does not do this as a 
matter of procedure.  PIR does prevent names that were transferred under the 
IRTP from bouncing to another registrar within 60 days.  This is a pro-consumer 
policy, of course, and can be overridden (in conjunction with Registrar 
cooperation) once the Registrant demonstrates their registration rights and 
desire to move the domain name to another registrar.

Regards,

Paul Diaz
Public Interest Registry


From: Marika Konings <marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:29:32 -0700
To: "gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx>" 
<gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [gnso-irtpc] Chat transcript IRTP Part C F2F meeting

For your information, please find below the chat transcript of yesterday's IRTP 
Part C F2F meeting.

With best regards,

Marika

On 14/03/12 10:01, "Marika Konings" 
<marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:marika.konings@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

  Marika Konings:Good morning everyone. The IRTP Part C Working Group meeting 
will get started shortly.
  Rob Golding (othello):morning Marika - are you enjoying 'Rica ?
  Marika Konings:Yes, very much so
  Rob Golding (othello):I'd be sad to have stayed in london - if only it wasn't 
gloriously sunny and ~20degrees here today :)
  Marika Konings:Wow, that sounds nice!
  Rob Golding (othello):not dialed in yet
  Rob Golding (othello):calling in a sec
  Rob Golding (othello):(load room at the mo here)
  Rob Golding (othello):loud even
  Michele Neylon:morning
  Michele Neylon:Ah Ms Salter
  Kelly Salter:Morning Mr Neylon
  Erick Irairte:Good Morning :)
  Michele Neylon:Kelly - so you going to start playing with us now? :)
  Kelly Salter:I thought i'd should listen in... prepare myself for Prague :)
  Michele Neylon::)
  Rob Golding (othello):dont start playing with Michele - he's like a rubiks 
cube, once you tsrta you'll never put him down ;)
  Rob Golding (othello):start - damn wireless keyboard
  Michele Neylon:Rob - lol
  Sam:I agree with Rob
  Sam:ICANN should be trying to standardise the transfer criteria
  Sam:accredited registrars should be following the same transfer rules
  Rob Golding (othello):@sam - standards are good :)
  Sam:Certainly makes integration between different registrars easier. With the 
new TLDs coming it seems like the perfect time to rethink this process and 
ensuring that everybody is clear in terms of locking, auth codes and other 
transfer prohibitations
  Rob Golding (othello):to clarify my point/question - it _appears_ that 
registries are applying their own rules/practices to the "change of registrant" 
processes, but locking the domains for "a period" from inter-registrar-transfer 
after certain updates - PIR/ORG appear to lock the domain for 60 days after 
changes to contacts for example, we need clarification from the registries what 
they do (if anything) and (a) publish that so everyone knows and (b) potetially 
have it changed inline with the final report/recommendations
  Rob Golding (othello):such actions increase our support load in terms of 
clients wanting to transfer in/out, especially in line with WDRP emails, they 
login, update, and then find they cant move the domain if they want to
  Rob Golding (othello):current registered name holder, replacemnet registered 
name holder
  Michele Neylon:ooh I like that
  Rob Golding (othello):itra-reg "transfers" - where possible /  available - 
it's easy to move from one enom reseller to another, it's ngh-on-impossible to 
move from one logicbox s/ware user to another  without a inter-reg transfer, as 
teh software doenst allow it (in most circumstances), and with others, even 
moving to an alternative "account" to change payment details is treated as a 
transfer
  Rob Golding (othello):It's certainly a "benefit" to usrs of certain systems, 
but not available at all of them
  Rob Golding (othello):dropping off the call, sticking around on adobe, 
turning speakers back up :)
  Marika Konings:Any remote questions / comments are of course also welcome!
  Rob Golding (othello):@mikey - the £1+vat fee only applies where you are 
updating the owenrship (change of control). there is also a £10+vat charge if 
you get *nominet* to transfer the domain between registrar (but registrars can 
do that immediately and without charge to them or the registrant) - call a TAG 
Release - which _optionally_ the receiving registrar can  hold for manual 
accept/reject (handshaking) or always reject or always accept
  Rob Golding (othello):@mikey - *only* Nominet can do the change of control 
(ownership) as they dont allow registrars to update the regsitrant name fields 
on the domain - part of the nominet-registrant legal agreemnet entered on 
registering a .uk
  Rob Golding (othello):@Mikey - 5 day IRTP prescribe limit is 5 days from 
acknowledgement by the registry, afetr acknowledgement by the losing registrar, 
each of which can add a few days - my experience is 2 days min (as say verisign 
only send out the notices to the gaining registrar @ 5am everyday) and 9 days 
(longest) with an average of 5-6 days
  Barbara Knight - RySG:James, Will there be call in details for the meeting 
with the ccNSO?
  Michele Neylon:I think they have remote stuff
  Michele Neylon:so you can foloow it
  Michele Neylon:but let's see what Marika says
  Mikey O'Connor -- ISP type guy:http://costarica43.icann.org/node/29629
  Michele Neylon:http://icann.adobeconnect.com/sjo43-bouganvillea
  Barbara Knight - RySG:thanks gentlemen :-)
  Marika Konings:Yes, there should be audiocast, but there is no phone bridge
  Michele Neylon:ah ha
  Marika Konings:there is also an Adobe Connect room, so feel free to post any 
comments / questions there and I'll try to raise those during the meeting, if 
possible.
  Barbara Knight - RySG:thanks Marika
  Marika Konings:thanks all!