RE: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group Guidelines

["Sedo :: Simonetta Batteiger" <simonetta@xxxxxxxx>]

Dear Alain & Mikey,

Want to tell you that this "fear of sounding stupid" - especially around how an 
ICANN PDP process should work - is definitely how I felt.
Also, to see how this multi-stakeholder approach can work (and experiencing 
when it does work and when it does not work) has been one of the main reasons 
for me to stick out some of the lengthy discussions in the IRTP working group. 
So you're definitely also on to something by identifying this as part of the 
"glue"...

A few things that could be done:

1)      Actively acknowledging that "if this is your first workgroup you will 
likely feel like you can't contribute because you don't want to sound foolish, 
don't be discouraged, we've all been there" => could be made part of the 
"welcome to the working group" by the Chair or a member of staff; that was 
never done with me, but it would have been great!

2)      A "newbie" can be pointed to one other more experienced member of the 
workgroup who helps him/her along => Could be done by chair or staff

3)      Presenting the guideline information in a more visual form (e.g. as an 
educational video) could help, nobody really has time to read a 20 page PDF, 
and it leaves a new working group member with the challenge to somehow figure 
out how and who to ask about all the stuff they did not understand (which is 
very likely a good chunk of that guideline document if you are new to the 
process)

4)      Ask newbies for feedback on all those parts they don't understand and 
expand on that with FAQs (asking those of us who are now familiar with the 
topic for feedback won't tell you if a newbie can make sense of that document)

Just a few thoughts...
Simonetta

From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
Of Ron Andruff
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:14 PM
To: 'Alain Berranger'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx; 'Julie Hedlund'
Subject: RE: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group 
Guidelines

Dear Alain,

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative comments.  Mikey is right when he 
says "don't worry, we all went through this...".  All of the old-timers as well 
as newcomers have experienced feeling this huge chasm of lack of information 
and fear of speaking up for perhaps sounding foolish... And you are correct to 
a certain extent that there is some merit in 'growing' in ICANN through putting 
in the years, but with the maturing organization we have today, with all the 
newcomers, we simply don't have enough mentors to do the job effectively. So 
now is a good time to address this issue and I believe that the 'tool kit' that 
we - and staff - have been talking about for what feels like a long time is 
within our grasp.

An organization can only function effectively when all members are versed in 
the distinct language of the organization, in my view.

The other issue that you touched on made me aware that it seems to be a 
recurring one amongst all of the volunteers of ICANN and that is our mutual 
attraction to the great experiment of the multi-stakeholder model.  For my 
part, that is one of the most exciting parts of ICANN and what has kept me in 
this community for some 13 years or so.  It is obviously the same for you, 
someone more new to the community.  So maybe you have identified 'the glue' 
that brings this disparate community together... If everyone kept that element 
at the forefront of their thoughts when engaging in ICANN work, we would 
probably have a lot less friction in the organization and find our way to more 
effective bottom-up decision-making.

Thanks again for bringing these ideas to light. Very helpful.

Kind regards,

RA

Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.<http://www.rnapartners.com>
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From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:16 AM
To: Ron Andruff
Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx>; Julie Hedlund
Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group 
Guidelines

Hi Ron,

I think the survey is just fine to improve/refine the current WG guidelines 
(For me they do the job in the main, so I think it is more about refining).

In my opinion and related to this, I think that what needs attention at ICANN 
(among many things) is a broader subject than refining the WG guidelines.

I am thinking of a more systematic manner for ICANN to get the various 
categories of newcomers up the learning curve (I know many are working on this 
- witness inter alia the ICANN Academy discussions - they seem to have fallen 
of the radar!..and of course the Fellowship Program is quite effective I think).

Understanding the stakeholders' landscape and their learning needs requires a 
thorough analysis of our various stakeholders profiles, their ICANN-related 
motivation, and basically an understanding of their training needs. If we meet 
those training needs (in many different ways I suppose), then we will optimize 
the value, the reality, the sustainability and the functionning of the 
multi-stakeholder model. Of course, I am of the school of ardent supporters of 
the MS model as a key distinguishing feature of ICANN and maybe even its key to 
long-term growth and sustainability.

Indeed, I am of the opinion that participating in a WG is a great  way to learn 
(and network to learn) but it is a time-consuming one and seen as risky for 
many new stakeholders (time commitment, fear of the unknown and of rejection, 
etc...). When faced with this, and after getting to know Mikey in San José 
after having joined the IRTP-Part C WG with the view of learning, Mikey told me 
something like: "don't be discouraged, welcome to the club, we all went through 
this, it takes at least 2 years, etc...". Beacuse of Mikey's advice, and at 
time mentoring, I am sticking to the plan, but sure would welcome so learning 
opportunities a bit more structured! (Thanks Mikey for all the time you have 
given me!).

That said, I wonder now really if this is the better way to go... pay your dues 
kind of argument... I think that leads to a kind of strong commitment if ones 
sticks to the strategy, but how many do? and at what cost?

I am of the opinion there could be a more systematic way for newcomers to go 
through some learning modules in a certain systematic order, rather than ad hoc 
diving in the website or wikipedia, ICANN meetings, WGs...

Cheers, Alain
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Ron Andruff 
<randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Thank you, Alain.  We appreciate your having filled in the survey and providing 
your feedback.  At the end of the day, we are trying to ascertain if the 
survey, as detailed, is an effective tool.  We would welcome your thoughts on 
this question.

Kind regards,

RA

Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.<http://www.rnapartners.com>
________________________________
From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-<mailto:owner->gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx>] 
On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Ron Andruff
Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx>; Julie Hedlund
Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group 
Guidelines

Dear Ron, dear Julie:

As you know I took the survey as a member of the SCI and see not usefulness in 
taking it as a member of IRTP-C WG. I presume that is the correct position. Let 
me know if you think differently.

Cheers, Alain
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Ron Andruff 
<randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dear IRTP-C Working Group members,

As some of you may know, the GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation 
Improvements (SCI) has developed a survey for GNSO Working Groups, as requested 
by the GNSO Council, to solicit feedback on the GNSO Working Group Guidelines.  
As Chair of the SCI, I am contacting your Working Group to invite you to take 
the survey because you have recently completed your work and, thus, may have 
valuable insight on the usefulness of the Working Group Guidelines and 
suggestions for improvements.  If you would like to take the survey you may 
wish to review the Working Group Guidelines and Summary first.  Please see the 
following links to the documents and the survey:

Link to the Working Group Guidelines: 
http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf
Link to the Guidelines Summary: 
http://gnso.icann.org/council/summary-gnso-wg-guidelines-06apr11-en.pdf
Link to Draft Survey for GNSO Working Groups: 
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FFTCJPT

The SCI appreciates your consideration of this request and we ask that if you 
wish to complete the survey please do so by **Monday, 25 March 2013.**

Thank you for your consideration.

Kind regards,

Ron Andruff
Chair, GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation Improvements



Ronald N. Andruff
RNA Partners, Inc.<http://www.rnapartners.com>




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