Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working Group Guidelines
oooOOooo… these are great Simonetta. as chair of a couple of current working groups i'm gonna steal these ideas. mikey On Mar 11, 2013, at 2:21 PM, "Sedo :: Simonetta Batteiger" <simonetta@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear Alain & Mikey, > > Want to tell you that this “fear of sounding stupid” - especially around how > an ICANN PDP process should work - is definitely how I felt. > Also, to see how this multi-stakeholder approach can work (and experiencing > when it does work and when it does not work) has been one of the main reasons > for me to stick out some of the lengthy discussions in the IRTP working > group. So you’re definitely also on to something by identifying this as part > of the “glue”… > > A few things that could be done: > 1) Actively acknowledging that “if this is your first workgroup you will > likely feel like you can’t contribute because you don’t want to sound > foolish, don’t be discouraged, we’ve all been there” => could be made part of > the “welcome to the working group” by the Chair or a member of staff; that > was never done with me, but it would have been great! > 2) A “newbie” can be pointed to one other more experienced member of the > workgroup who helps him/her along => Could be done by chair or staff > 3) Presenting the guideline information in a more visual form (e.g. as > an educational video) could help, nobody really has time to read a 20 page > PDF, and it leaves a new working group member with the challenge to somehow > figure out how and who to ask about all the stuff they did not understand > (which is very likely a good chunk of that guideline document if you are new > to the process) > 4) Ask newbies for feedback on all those parts they don’t understand and > expand on that with FAQs (asking those of us who are now familiar with the > topic for feedback won’t tell you if a newbie can make sense of that document) > > Just a few thoughts… > Simonetta > > From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Ron Andruff > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:14 PM > To: 'Alain Berranger'; gnso-improvem-impl-sc@xxxxxxxxx > Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx; 'Julie Hedlund' > Subject: RE: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working > Group Guidelines > > Dear Alain, > > Thank you for your thoughtful and informative comments. Mikey is right when > he says “don’t worry, we all went through this…”. All of the old-timers as > well as newcomers have experienced feeling this huge chasm of lack of > information and fear of speaking up for perhaps sounding foolish… And you are > correct to a certain extent that there is some merit in ‘growing’ in ICANN > through putting in the years, but with the maturing organization we have > today, with all the newcomers, we simply don’t have enough mentors to do the > job effectively. So now is a good time to address this issue and I believe > that the ‘tool kit’ that we – and staff – have been talking about for what > feels like a long time is within our grasp. > > An organization can only function effectively when all members are versed in > the distinct language of the organization, in my view. > > The other issue that you touched on made me aware that it seems to be a > recurring one amongst all of the volunteers of ICANN and that is our mutual > attraction to the great experiment of the multi-stakeholder model. For my > part, that is one of the most exciting parts of ICANN and what has kept me in > this community for some 13 years or so. It is obviously the same for you, > someone more new to the community. So maybe you have identified ‘the glue’ > that brings this disparate community together… If everyone kept that element > at the forefront of their thoughts when engaging in ICANN work, we would > probably have a lot less friction in the organization and find our way to > more effective bottom-up decision-making. > > Thanks again for bringing these ideas to light. Very helpful. > > Kind regards, > > RA > > Ronald N. Andruff > RNA Partners, Inc. > From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Alain Berranger > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:16 AM > To: Ron Andruff > Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx; Julie Hedlund > Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working > Group Guidelines > > Hi Ron, > > I think the survey is just fine to improve/refine the current WG guidelines > (For me they do the job in the main, so I think it is more about refining). > > In my opinion and related to this, I think that what needs attention at ICANN > (among many things) is a broader subject than refining the WG guidelines. > > I am thinking of a more systematic manner for ICANN to get the various > categories of newcomers up the learning curve (I know many are working on > this - witness inter alia the ICANN Academy discussions - they seem to have > fallen of the radar!..and of course the Fellowship Program is quite effective > I think). > > Understanding the stakeholders' landscape and their learning needs requires a > thorough analysis of our various stakeholders profiles, their ICANN-related > motivation, and basically an understanding of their training needs. If we > meet those training needs (in many different ways I suppose), then we will > optimize the value, the reality, the sustainability and the functionning of > the multi-stakeholder model. Of course, I am of the school of ardent > supporters of the MS model as a key distinguishing feature of ICANN and maybe > even its key to long-term growth and sustainability. > > Indeed, I am of the opinion that participating in a WG is a great way to > learn (and network to learn) but it is a time-consuming one and seen as risky > for many new stakeholders (time commitment, fear of the unknown and of > rejection, etc...). When faced with this, and after getting to know Mikey in > San José after having joined the IRTP-Part C WG with the view of learning, > Mikey told me something like: "don't be discouraged, welcome to the club, we > all went through this, it takes at least 2 years, etc...". Beacuse of Mikey's > advice, and at time mentoring, I am sticking to the plan, but sure would > welcome so learning opportunities a bit more structured! (Thanks Mikey for > all the time you have given me!). > > That said, I wonder now really if this is the better way to go... pay your > dues kind of argument... I think that leads to a kind of strong commitment if > ones sticks to the strategy, but how many do? and at what cost? > > I am of the opinion there could be a more systematic way for newcomers to go > through some learning modules in a certain systematic order, rather than ad > hoc diving in the website or wikipedia, ICANN meetings, WGs... > > Cheers, Alain > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Ron Andruff <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Thank you, Alain. We appreciate your having filled in the survey and > providing your feedback. At the end of the day, we are trying to ascertain > if the survey, as detailed, is an effective tool. We would welcome your > thoughts on this question. > > Kind regards, > > RA > > Ronald N. Andruff > RNA Partners, Inc. > From: owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of Alain Berranger > Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:39 AM > To: Ron Andruff > Cc: gnso-irtpc@xxxxxxxxx; Julie Hedlund > Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpc] Invitation to Participate in Survey on Working > Group Guidelines > > Dear Ron, dear Julie: > > As you know I took the survey as a member of the SCI and see not usefulness > in taking it as a member of IRTP-C WG. I presume that is the correct > position. Let me know if you think differently. > > Cheers, Alain > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Ron Andruff <randruff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Dear IRTP-C Working Group members, > > As some of you may know, the GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation > Improvements (SCI) has developed a survey for GNSO Working Groups, as > requested by the GNSO Council, to solicit feedback on the GNSO Working Group > Guidelines. As Chair of the SCI, I am contacting your Working Group to > invite you to take the survey because you have recently completed your work > and, thus, may have valuable insight on the usefulness of the Working Group > Guidelines and suggestions for improvements. If you would like to take the > survey you may wish to review the Working Group Guidelines and Summary first. > Please see the following links to the documents and the survey: > > Link to the Working Group Guidelines: > http://gnso.icann.org/council/annex-1-gnso-wg-guidelines-08apr11-en.pdf > Link to the Guidelines Summary: > http://gnso.icann.org/council/summary-gnso-wg-guidelines-06apr11-en.pdf > Link to Draft Survey for GNSO Working Groups: > http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/FFTCJPT > > The SCI appreciates your consideration of this request and we ask that if you > wish to complete the survey please do so by **Monday, 25 March 2013.** > > Thank you for your consideration. > > Kind regards, > > Ron Andruff > Chair, GNSO Standing Committee on Implementation Improvements > > > > Ronald N. 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