Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendationre-submit

["Zahid Jamil" <zahid@xxxxxxxxx>]

A very agreeable solution.  Also thanks to SS for all the hard work.





                                       
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From: Claudio Di Gangi <cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:13:36 
To: 'Gomes, Chuck'<cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; Olga Cavalli<olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: SS Kshatriy<sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>; OSC-CSG Work Team<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation
 re-submit

Chuck & Olga, I agree with your views.

I should note that I submitted nothing new yesterday. These comments had been 
previously submitted, several times in fact.

SS had previously placed them in separate document along with my other 
comments, and submitted them to the full WT just prior to the Seoul meeting. 
During the full WT revision process, these views somehow dropped off, so I 
resubmitted them again yesterday for the team's consideration.

Hope that clarifies.

Claudio

From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:46 AM
To: Olga Cavalli
Cc: SS Kshatriy; OSC-CSG Work Team; Claudio Di Gangi
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation 
re-submit

Makes sense to me Olga.  Thanks.  At this stage, I suggest we give the pen to 
Julie.  SS has worked long and hard on this and that is very much appreciated 
but it would be unreasonable to expect him to continue to use his time in 
support of WT revisions; he signed up as subtask leader and has delivered what 
was expected.

Chuck

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From: olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Olga 
Cavalli
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 10:33 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: SS Kshatriy; OSC-CSG Work Team; Claudio Di Gangi
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation 
re-submit
Chuck and team,
my understanding is also that subtask 1 document is for full WT revision.
I understand SS concerns about preparing several versions and I commend his 
hard work and his efforts in including all views in these revisions.
Let me suggest the following, could we consider Claudio´s comments and Zahid 
support of them as part of the full WT revision process?
I will welcome your comments and we can add a point to our agenda on Friday to 
discuss this item, if needed.
Best regards and thanks all for the involvement and hard work.
Olga

2009/12/16 Gomes, Chuck <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Olga,

I believe we are at a point with subtask 1 where the document is now out of the 
hands of the subtask team and in the hands of the  full WT, so the WT can make 
changes if desired.  Is that correct?

Chuck

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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of SS Kshatriy
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:09 PM
To: OSC-CSG Work Team; Claudio Di Gangi
Cc: Olga Cavalli

Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation 
re-submit

Hi Claudio,
(Also with a request to chair to consider Claudio's comments)
I have read your concerns.
the document I submitted is Final and submitted second time. (Earlier, even 
Final Draft was submitted twice.).
It is not a draft.
Thus it is Final Recommendations from my side and I don't propose to make any 
more change as it is not possible for me to accommodate all views the way one 
wants.
--
I will leave it to Chair and Team to decide.
You may request Chair to have your points in the Agenda.

best,
SS


--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Claudio Di Gangi 
<cdigangi@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:

From: Claudio Di Gangi <cdigangi@xxxxxxxx<mailto:cdigangi@xxxxxxxx>>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation 
re-submit
To: "'SS Kshatriy'" <sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:sskshatriy@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"OSC-CSG Work Team" <gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:52 AM
Dear SS,

Thanks. I am pleased to see that many of my prior concerns have been addressed 
with the latest draft.
A few of my concerns still remain however, so I have listed these below for 
ease of reference. I hope these can be addressed in the next version.
I note that in Section 3. Policy and Consensus, the current draft states:
"GROUPs shall function on the GNSO WG model for the purpose of reaching 
consensus and the use of voting should be minimized as much as possible."
I have previously stated that: GROUPs should be able to determine on their own 
merits, what model they would like to use for the purposes of reaching 
consensus within their membership.
I do not see a compelling reason why we need to mandate a uniform model that 
all GROUPs must use.
The last I checked the GNSO WG model was not yet fleshed out, so any decision 
to incorporate it into the internal functioning of a GROUP is premature -- or 
at least should be provisional. Also, a GNSO WG and a GNSO Constituency or 
Stakeholder Group have very different characteristics and different functions. 
As a result, I don't think its correct to assume that a consensus model used in 
one setting, is necessarily the best to use another setting.
Here is a suggested amendment to the text:
"GROUPs should consider adopting various models for reaching consensus, 
including for example, the ICANN GNSO WG model. Whatever model the GROUP 
chooses to reach consensus should be made clear to its members within its 
bylaws or Charter. The use of voting within GROUPs should be minimized as much 
as possible."
My concern remains with recommendation D.1, which states:
"Admission criteria shall be certain and predictable and not arbitrary or 
discretionary.  Where eligibility depends on participation in a certain sector 
of business, then applicants shall be entitled to submit evidence of their 
participation."

I have previously commented that within certain GNSO groups, that there can 
elements of subjectivity involved in making admission decisions. This detail is 
not reflected in the current draft. I therefore recommend the following edit:
"Admission criteria shall be certain and predictable and not arbitrary or 
discretionary to the maximum extent possible.  Where eligibility depends on 
participation in a certain sector of business, then applicants shall be 
entitled to submit evidence of their participation."
On Section 2e, I still think the applicant should be able to "Opt-In or 
Opt-Out" of making their application status publically available. This is not 
reflected in the draft.
Thanks again for your continuing efforts.
Claudio
From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>] On 
Behalf Of SS Kshatriy
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:31 AM
To: OSC-CSG Work Team
Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Re: GNSO-OSC-CSG- Subtask 1-Final Recommendation 
re-submit
Hi Chair and Team,
Further to posting of Final Recommendations, comments from Chuck, Zahid and 
Rafik were recieved.
I have incorporated these comments in the Final Recommendations and informed 
Chuck, Zahid and Rafik individually.

The Final document is re-submitted for your referwnce.

best,

SS
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