RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.

["Diaz, Paul" <pdiaz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

+1 

 

Google (IANA #895) and Microsoft (IANA #1330) are both ICANN-accredited
registrars.

 

ICANN itself has absolutely no mandate to play a role as competitive
email provider, or as some kind of redirector to a third-party provided
email service.  

 

 

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From: owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Helen
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:00 PM
To: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
Cc: PEDNR; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.

 

A suprising number of registrants notice their domain has expired only
because the email stops functioning.
So they might try asking questions of their registrar.
Or they might actually look at their website.
If it doesn't resolve or preferably:
If it says clearly "this domain has expired.. click here to renew"
isn't that much better?
Do we really want third parties involved?
And Google IS a registrar so wouldn't this be a conflict?



 Helen

On 25/05/2010 10:57 AM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote: 

 
 
On 25 May 2010, at 14:53, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
 
  

        Dear Michelle
         
         
        On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
<michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
         
         
        On 25 May 2010, at 11:31, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
         
            

                Hello
                 
                I asked some Google Executives if there could be a
technical solution from an external service provider such as Gmail to
the post expiry domain email situation. The question was sent by email
with a copy to Olivier Crepin Leblond of ISOC England / Euralo.
                 
                While he doesn't find the commercial prospects for the
external service provider convincing, his response points to the fact
that technically there is a definite way out of the problem.
                      

         
         
        So who is going to pay for it?
         
        Definitely not the Registrars. It it takes it will take shape as
a service for which the Registrants will pay
            

 
Siva
 
Pay who and how?
 
Bearing in mind that you're talking about registrants who haven't
renewed their domain names ...
 
 
  

        or it will be a service offered on a neo-Interent-business model
by a company such as Google or MSN or it will be an ICANN supported
service by a third party.
         
         
         
            

                 
                It is not necessary to abruptly discontinue email
service in a post expiry situation.
                      

         
        Until you can answer the key question about who is going to pay
for it then it is going to be necessary
         
        Just because it's technically "possible" doesn't render it
viable and the email exchange clearly supports the view that we have all
been promoting for months. It makes MORE sense for the registrant to
simply renew the domain name in a timely fashion.
         
        I agree that it makes more sense for Registrants to renew their
domain names in time. But I am concerned about those Registrants (even
if they are a smaller proportion) whose domain names expire unnoticed. 
            

 
And so you expect this "magical" email service to "know" where the mail
is meant to go?
 
You also expect people to be able to access it as well I assume?
 
How?
 
 
 
  

         
        Also your suggestion in this email exchange suggests that ICANN
would somehow want to get involved with an "icann owned or
icann-assigned server" (sic) is disturbing.
        Do you even understand what ICANN's role is in all this?
         
        What is wrong if I want ICANN to get involved in an ICANN owned
or icann-assigned server? It is not disproportionately expensive and it
is a direct service to domain Registrants about whom ICANN is supposed
to care !
            

 
 
How are you qualified to decide what is expensive and what isn't?
 
Just to satisfy my own curiousity ...
 
How many mail users do you currently manage?
 
How many mail servers do you currently manage?
 
How many mail servers have you configured?
 
 
  

         
         
         
         
         
            

                 
                The email exchange is attached as a PDF for the
committee to act upon futher.
                      

         
        What committee?.
         
        Sorry, I meant WG. This PEDNR WG 
            

 
OK
 
  

         
        Sivasubramanian M
         
         
         
        Mr Michele Neylon
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Mr Michele Neylon
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Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection
ICANN Accredited Registrar
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http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://mneylon.tel
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
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