Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 25 May 2010, at 21:15, Diaz, Paul wrote:

> +1
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> Google (IANA #895) and Microsoft (IANA #1330) are both ICANN-accredited 
> registrars.
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> ICANN itself has absolutely no mandate to play a role as competitive email 
> provider, or as some kind of redirector to a third-party provided email 
> service. 


And if ICANN (or anyone else) were to attempt to provide such a service and 
fail ie. mails getting lost, then I suspect they'd be sued ... 


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> From: owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On 
> Behalf Of Helen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:00 PM
> To: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
> Cc: PEDNR; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.
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> A suprising number of registrants notice their domain has expired only 
> because the email stops functioning.
> So they might try asking questions of their registrar.
> Or they might actually look at their website.
> If it doesn't resolve or preferably:
> If it says clearly "this domain has expired.. click here to renew"  isn't 
> that much better?
> Do we really want third parties involved?
> And Google IS a registrar so wouldn't this be a conflict?
> 
>  Helen
> On 25/05/2010 10:57 AM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
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> On 25 May 2010, at 14:53, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
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>> Dear Michelle
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>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight 
>> <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> On 25 May 2010, at 11:31, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
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>>> Hello
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>>> I asked some Google Executives if there could be a technical solution from 
>>> an external service provider such as Gmail to the post expiry domain email 
>>> situation. The question was sent by email with a copy to Olivier Crepin 
>>> Leblond of ISOC England / Euralo.
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>>> While he doesn't find the commercial prospects for the external service 
>>> provider convincing, his response points to the fact that technically there 
>>> is a definite way out of the problem.
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>> So who is going to pay for it?
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>> Definitely not the Registrars. It it takes it will take shape as a service 
>> for which the Registrants will pay
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> Siva
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> Pay who and how?
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> Bearing in mind that you're talking about registrants who haven't renewed 
> their domain names ...
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>> or it will be a service offered on a neo-Interent-business model by a 
>> company such as Google or MSN or it will be an ICANN supported service by a 
>> third party.
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>>> It is not necessary to abruptly discontinue email service in a post expiry 
>>> situation.
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>> Until you can answer the key question about who is going to pay for it then 
>> it is going to be necessary
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>> Just because it's technically "possible" doesn't render it viable and the 
>> email exchange clearly supports the view that we have all been promoting for 
>> months. It makes MORE sense for the registrant to simply renew the domain 
>> name in a timely fashion.
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>> I agree that it makes more sense for Registrants to renew their domain names 
>> in time. But I am concerned about those Registrants (even if they are a 
>> smaller proportion) whose domain names expire unnoticed. 
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> And so you expect this "magical" email service to "know" where the mail is 
> meant to go?
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> You also expect people to be able to access it as well I assume?
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> How?
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>> Also your suggestion in this email exchange suggests that ICANN would 
>> somehow want to get involved with an "icann owned or icann-assigned server" 
>> (sic) is disturbing.
>> Do you even understand what ICANN's role is in all this?
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>> What is wrong if I want ICANN to get involved in an ICANN owned or 
>> icann-assigned server? It is not disproportionately expensive and it is a 
>> direct service to domain Registrants about whom ICANN is supposed to care !
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> How are you qualified to decide what is expensive and what isn't?
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> Just to satisfy my own curiousity ...
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> How many mail users do you currently manage?
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> How many mail servers do you currently manage?
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> How many mail servers have you configured?
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>>> The email exchange is attached as a PDF for the committee to act upon 
>>> futher.
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>> What committee?.
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>> Sorry, I meant WG. This PEDNR WG 
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> OK
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>> Sivasubramanian M
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>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
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> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection
> ICANN Accredited Registrar
> http://www.blacknight.com/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://mneylon.tel
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> US: 213-233-1612 
> UK: 0844 484 9361
> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763
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Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection
ICANN Accredited Registrar
http://www.blacknight.com/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://mneylon.tel
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