Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.

[Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight <
michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> On 25 May 2010, at 21:15, Diaz, Paul wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Google (IANA #895) and Microsoft (IANA #1330) are both ICANN-accredited
> registrars.
> >
> > ICANN itself has absolutely no mandate to play a role as competitive
> email provider, or as some kind of redirector to a third-party provided
> email service.
>
>
> And if ICANN (or anyone else) were to attempt to provide such a service and
> fail ie. mails getting lost, then I suspect they'd be sued ...
>

As a non-profit corporation under California Law it is very easy to scare
ICANN away from doing anything that you don't desire :)

Sivasubramanian M


>
>
> >
> >
> > From: owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Helen
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:00 PM
> > To: Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
> > Cc: PEDNR; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> > Subject: Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Post expiry domain email functionality.
> >
> > A suprising number of registrants notice their domain has expired only
> because the email stops functioning.
> > So they might try asking questions of their registrar.
> > Or they might actually look at their website.
> > If it doesn't resolve or preferably:
> > If it says clearly "this domain has expired.. click here to renew"  isn't
> that much better?
> > Do we really want third parties involved?
> > And Google IS a registrar so wouldn't this be a conflict?
> >
> >  Helen
> > On 25/05/2010 10:57 AM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 25 May 2010, at 14:53, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Dear Michelle
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight <
> michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25 May 2010, at 11:31, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello
> >>>
> >>> I asked some Google Executives if there could be a technical solution
> from an external service provider such as Gmail to the post expiry domain
> email situation. The question was sent by email with a copy to Olivier
> Crepin Leblond of ISOC England / Euralo.
> >>>
> >>> While he doesn't find the commercial prospects for the external service
> provider convincing, his response points to the fact that technically there
> is a definite way out of the problem.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> So who is going to pay for it?
> >>
> >> Definitely not the Registrars. It it takes it will take shape as a
> service for which the Registrants will pay
> >>
> >
> > Siva
> >
> > Pay who and how?
> >
> > Bearing in mind that you're talking about registrants who haven't renewed
> their domain names ...
> >
> >
> >
> >> or it will be a service offered on a neo-Interent-business model by a
> company such as Google or MSN or it will be an ICANN supported service by a
> third party.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> It is not necessary to abruptly discontinue email service in a post
> expiry situation.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Until you can answer the key question about who is going to pay for it
> then it is going to be necessary
> >>
> >> Just because it's technically "possible" doesn't render it viable and
> the email exchange clearly supports the view that we have all been promoting
> for months. It makes MORE sense for the registrant to simply renew the
> domain name in a timely fashion.
> >>
> >> I agree that it makes more sense for Registrants to renew their domain
> names in time. But I am concerned about those Registrants (even if they are
> a smaller proportion) whose domain names expire unnoticed.
> >>
> >
> > And so you expect this "magical" email service to "know" where the mail
> is meant to go?
> >
> > You also expect people to be able to access it as well I assume?
> >
> > How?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Also your suggestion in this email exchange suggests that ICANN would
> somehow want to get involved with an "icann owned or icann-assigned server"
> (sic) is disturbing.
> >> Do you even understand what ICANN's role is in all this?
> >>
> >> What is wrong if I want ICANN to get involved in an ICANN owned or
> icann-assigned server? It is not disproportionately expensive and it is a
> direct service to domain Registrants about whom ICANN is supposed to care !
> >>
> >
> >
> > How are you qualified to decide what is expensive and what isn't?
> >
> > Just to satisfy my own curiousity ...
> >
> > How many mail users do you currently manage?
> >
> > How many mail servers do you currently manage?
> >
> > How many mail servers have you configured?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The email exchange is attached as a PDF for the committee to act upon
> futher.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What committee?.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I meant WG. This PEDNR WG
> >>
> >
> > OK
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Sivasubramanian M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mr Michele Neylon
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> >
> > Mr Michele Neylon
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> Mr Michele Neylon
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> http://blog.blacknight.com/
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