Re: [gnso-pednr-dt] Proposal regarding Guaranteed renewal period and blackout

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Alan

I'm trying to follow this and failing

One of the stated goals with this WG was to give users predictability. I don't 
see how this is being achieved.

Your proposal seems to  only give that on a per registrar basis ie. if the 
domain is with registrar A and they've adopted method X then Y will happen

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, you could end up with a situation 
where the post-expiry behaviour would vary across registrars AND be set in 
policy?

Or am I missing something?

As I said, I'm having difficulty following this

Regards

Michele


On 20 Jan 2011, at 23:57, Alan Greenberg wrote:

> 
> Michael, answers embedded.
> 
> At 20/01/2011 04:02 PM, MICHAEL YOUNG wrote:
>> Ok thanks for the prompt reply Alan, so let me see if I understand this 
>> correctly with a little walk through here.
>> 
>> One recommendation is to ensure the domain is retrievable by the registrant 
>> for 10 days after expiry.
> 
> For at least 10 days.
> 
> 
>> Another recommendation is to ensure the that "if" the domain is darkened 
>> during the auto-renew grace period, it must be retrievable by the registrant 
>> for 8 days after darkening.
> 
> Although not critical here, note that the proposal does not refer to the 
> ARGP, but simply post-expiration.
> 
> 
>> If I were a registrar then, and my practise was to "darken" the domain 
>> sometime after expiry but before deletion, then to comply with both of these 
>> recommendations I would have to "darken" the domain by the end of the second 
>> day following expiration, to darken it later would violate one of these 
>> recommendations.
> 
> No, to darken it later is fine. But that pushes out the 10 day period. So if 
> you choose to give 30 days of continued operation and then darken, you cannot 
> irrevocably sell the domain to someone else before day 38.
> 
> Perhaps in an effort to make it short, I lost clarity. Here is another 
> version.
> 
> a) The domain must be guaranteed renewable for at least 10 days.
> b) Before it can be lost (ie not renewable by the RAE), it must be darkened 
> for 8 days first.
> c) Notwithstanding a) and b), the registrar can delete at any time.
> 
> The intent is to always give a registrant a go-dark warning before the domain 
> is no longer renewable. The typical scenario today where the registrar 
> blackens the domain somewhere in the first 5 days and allows the RAE to renew 
> until day 30-40 meets the requirements. As would darkening on day 2 and 
> irrevocably selling on day 11. And the registrar (one of those surveyed) who 
> darkens on day 21 and allows renewals until day 35.
> 
> The behavior that it does not allow is darkening on day 11 and simultaneously 
> making it no longer renewable under the published terms.
> 
> Is that any better?
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> Was that really the intention, to drive that type of behaviour?  From the 
>> statistics I have seen, I am not seeing any obvious benefit that will assist 
>> a typical registrant by forcing darkening practises to be initiated the 
>> second day after expiration,.....
>> 
>> Am I missing another element here?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Michael
> 
> 

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