RE: [gnso-restruc-dt] object to proposal to change name of Non-Contracting Parties House

[Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>]

Tony:
I see no pejorative implication in the division between "Contracting" and 
"Noncontracting." As labels they reflect simple facts. The reason the GNSO is 
bicameral is because of that fundamental structural aspect of ICANN's 
governance regime.

There are as many, if not more, divisions between registrars / registries and 
between commercial / noncommercial users as there are cross-house divisions. We 
will not reconsider our stance on this. Sorry, Tony. I understand your 
objection to "User" house but can see no rational basis for objecting to 
"Non-contracting"

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From: owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Tony Holmes
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:42 PM
To: 'Robin Gross'; Gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: 'Carlos Affonso Pereira de Souza'; 'William Drake'; 'Mary Wong'
Subject: RE: [gnso-restruc-dt] object to proposal to change name of 
Non-Contracting Parties House

Robin/All

There may be a lack of understanding here, so please let me try and clarify the 
background to this request. This request was made as ISPs are NOT 'users' and 
the proposed term is a much more accurate reflection of the make up of that 
house. The term 'providers was initially widely used in the past but dropped 
once it became clear (particularly to the Board) that ISPs were indeed 
'providers' as much as other parties.

Splitting the GNSO down the middle between contracted and non contracted 
parties is a sub division that does provide a negative perception to the 
outside world and that divide shouldn't be seen as the basis for all policy 
development.

Robin - I hope that having provided that information the NCUC will reconsider 
there stance on this.

Regards

Tony

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From: owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Robin Gross
Sent: 05 May 2009 18:16
To: Gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
Cc: Carlos Affonso Pereira de Souza; William Drake; Mary Wong
Subject: [gnso-restruc-dt] object to proposal to change name of Non-Contracting 
Parties House

One point on today's draft document:

After internal discussion, NCUC objects to Philip's proposal to change the name 
of the Non-Contracting Parties House to the "Users and Providers" House and we 
prefer to leave it as "Non-Contracting Parties" House since it is better 
alignment with the other house, the "Contracting Parties House". Also adding on 
"providers" is just too ambiguous and will likely lead to confusion as to what 
kind of providers. Registrars are a "provider" of sorts for example. So NCUC 
does not accept the proposed name change of the house.

Thanks,
Robin


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