Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jeff,

It seems clear that in your opinion, registries would be better off not having 
to deal with registrars at all. Please correct me if I am mischaracterizing 
your views.

If I am correct in my reading of your views, I am constantly surprised by these 
views as your portray them, and as they seem to be direct attacks on the very 
sales network which enables your company and other gTLD registries to market 
its TLDs.

But of course, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion on the subject. The 
only question I have is whether that opinion is strictly personal, a portrayal 
of Neustar's take on registrars, or the opinion of the registry stakeholder 
group as a whole?

Sorry if you have been asked this before, but I am still unclear on this.

Thanks,

Stéphane

Le 9 avr. 2010 à 19:24, Avri Doria a écrit :

> 
> hi,
> 
> But, the attacking the issue of equivalent access is a different matter.  The 
> would be a reopening of R19, even by my standards.
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> On 9 Apr 2010, at 13:04, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
> 
>> Or better yet, allow a registry to not have to use those resellers that 
>> don’t act in the TLDs’ best interest.  Or allow them to pick and choose 
>> which retailers to use giving some more preferential treatment than others 
>> depending on how those resellers act.  Allow them to reward those resellers 
>> that provide better service to consumers than others and to terminate those 
>> that do not.
>> 
>> Both sides of the equation must be dealt with……
>> 
>> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
>> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>> 
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>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> On Behalf Of Jeff Eckhaus
>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:45 PM
>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>> 
>> 
>> I agree with you on this. It is frustrating when a supplier lowers their 
>> prices to differentiate themselves, but the retailers do not follow suit. To 
>> make matters worse the retailer just lumps them in with everyone else and 
>> raises prices.
>> Wow, wouldn’t it be great if that supplier could do something about it?
>> 
>> What if the supplier were able to reach out to end users, consumers, and let 
>> them know that their product is different, lower priced and guess what, you 
>> could purchase it directly from a retail store the supplier has set up.
>> 
>> This is the world we live in with almost every industry and that is the 
>> world of unlimited Cross Ownership.
>> 
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 6:00 AM
>> To: Avri Doria; Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>> 
>> 
>> Avri,
>> 
>> With respect to this point: 
>> 
>> "For example, have there been cases where a registry lowered its fees, and 
>> the regisrar did not in turn lower theirs to the consumer but absorbd the 
>> profit?"
>> 
>> The answer is YES.  Registries have lowered fees and registrars have not 
>> passed those lowering of fees through to consumers.  See 
>> http://www.icann.org/correspondence/switzer-to-twomey-23nov08.pdf.  In early 
>> 2008, Neustar intentionally decided not to raise its fees to registrars when 
>> most of the other registries raised their rates.  Despite this, every 
>> registrar not only raised the rates of the other TLDs (that increased their 
>> wholesale rates), but also raised the rates for .biz (despite the fact that 
>> we did not raise ours).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>> Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:49 AM
>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Single Registrant TLDs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Apr 2010, at 08:17, Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbH wrote:
>> 
>>> Allowing all nGTLD applicants to bypass the registrar system would 
>>> effectively lead us back to the domain business we had a decade ago, which 
>>> is IMHO definitely not in the interest of the consumer.
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Humility* aside, please explain why this is.  I would like to understand how 
>> this has helped consumers and how that benefit has been measured.
>> 
>> I have heard different theories about whether the current modality has 
>> helped consumers or whether it was even necessary - so leaving aside for the 
>> moment the subject of whether it helps or hinders innovation and creativity, 
>> please show evidence for the ways in which having separate Registrars has 
>> benefited consumers. 
>> 
>> For example, have there been cases where a registry lowered its fees, and 
>> the regisrar did not in turn lower theirs to the consumer but absorbd the 
>> profit?
>> I also am not sure I understand how any middleman who ads to the price, 
>> benefits users unless they are offering some value add service.  So what 
>> service have the registrars aded that was not doable by the Registries, 
>> especially now that registries have effectively split into registry service 
>> providers (RSP) and registry owners (RO) and we have full service resellers.
>> 
>> I really do not care too much about how the mountains of profit gained from 
>> these consumers are split between the Registry Service Providers, Registry 
>> owners, Registrars and Resellers - what I care about, in this instance, is 
>> showing why having the Registrars, with the add on costs to the consumer in 
>> their role as middlemen, has been a protector and a benefit to the consumer.
>> 
>> Again, I expect you can show this quite clearly and I expect that at the end 
>> of the explanation we will most all accept the importance of having 
>> registrars, I just think it would be helpful to have it explained.
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> 
>> * the humility in question is the H in IMHO, for those who may not know the 
>> acronym: IMHO, In My Humble Opinion,
>> 
>> 
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