RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] Molecules 1 and 2........

[Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>]

Hi Richard,
I hope that Jeff Neuman will put forward the other group's part. The group I 
was in took a much more flexible and liberal approach. I would not accept the 
proposal below.
--MM

From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder

THE SUB-GROUP NEXT TO US

There was considerable agreement between our Sub-Group and the Sub-Group to our 
immediate left.  I think Gray was Reporter for that group.

Let me try to summarize their position --  but if i misrepresent anything they 
should step in:


1.     LIMITS APPLY ACROSS ALL TLDS.    They endorse this.


2.     NO CONTROL REGARDLESS OF        OWNERSHIP PERCENTAGE.  They also endorse 
this.


3.     15% OWNERSHIP LIMIT.   They are more focused on control and less on 
ownership percentage.  In a sense then, they are less concerned about the 
influence that can be exerted at lower ownership levels (absent control) and 
they are more concerned about the harms that can emerge when actual control is 
present.     For example,  they might be OK with 49% cross-ownership,  as long 
as control did not exist.    They might also be OK with greater than 50% 
ownership as long as control did not exist       (GRAY --  I DONT THINK I GOT 
THE FULL NUANCE OF THIS SO PLEASE STEP IN)

4.     SINGLE REGISTRANT/  SINGLE USER TLD.   They did not reach consensus on 
this approach.

5.     RSPs.   They did not reach consensus on this approach,  but had some 
interest in the 'amendment idea' floated by our group.


Comments and clarifications are welcome from all memberS of the two Sub-Groups 
in question.

Thx

Richard T










On Jun 19, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:


hi all,

Roberto and i will present a very sketchy status report (i'll push a draft 
along in a few minutes).  it would be great to have a 1 or 2 page summary of 
the two "molecules" proposals that came out in the second session that could be 
inserted.  AND it would be great to have WG members there to answer questions 
(since there's a lot of nuance to those answers, plus it would be another 
opportunity to collect feedback and ideas).

so...

a) yep it would be great to have those summaries from the two of you -- i 
probably need them by 8am tomorrow in order to get a file in order and pushed 
along to Margie/Marika.

b) i uploaded the pictures of the flip-chart pages to the wiki -- here's the 
link -- 
https://st.icann.org/vert-integration-pdp/index.cgi?flip_chart_photos#<https://st.icann.org/vert-integration-pdp/index.cgi?flip_chart_photos>

c) yep, it would be great if folks could come to the meeting and be willing to 
join the conversation -- we have an hour and 15 minutes on the agenda and our 
status update will take a small fraction of that.  t'would also be a good 
run-through for the Wednesday general-public session.

thanks!

(bleary) mikey


On Jun 19, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:



On that note as well, Mikey, can you send me the pictures you took of the 
Molecule from our subgroup.

Thanks.

Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy


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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Tindal
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 4:57 PM
To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] FYI -- our "update the GNSO Council" slot -- 
scheduled for 9-10:15am


Mikey,

You'd like each of the three sub-groups,  from today,  to provide a summary of 
their molecule,  right?

For Wed,  are you and Roberto the only ones presenting,  or are you calling on 
others to also present?

RT


On Jun 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:


hi all,

just a quick note -- the schedule calls for us to update the GNSO council 
tomorrow at 9-10:15am.  Room 311.

mikey


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