RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU

[Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>]

Avri
I think the key issue here is not what you do with the domain, once it has been 
given to you by your employer. I think that's completely irrelevant, or should 
be. 

The real issue is whether you buy/rent the domain and have the authority to 
transfer it, or not. If the SR is not selling domains but simply assigning them 
to its employees, then there is no incentive for it to use SRSU as a cover for 
normal domain selling. 

We don't want SRSU status to be abused by registries as a back door to a 
vertically integrated structure. I don't think it's all that hard to prevent 
that. On the other hand, registrars have no business demanding that all 
companies have to buy domains from them when they are SRSU, any more than they 
have the right to demand that Syracuse U has to buy third-level domains from 
them under syr.edu, or that Syracuse U has to become accredited as a registrar 
and pay ICANN fees for those third-level registrations. 

--MM

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-
> feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 10:57 AM
> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] SRSU
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for the response, but it brings up more questions.
> 
> I am wondering about the following under you definition of complete
> control as you defined it and "given to an employee for self-expression"
> 
> for example, i have one name that i use purely for listing papers and
> other academic stuff i want to make available.  This could be likened to
> a company second level that had been given to an employee for work
> purpose - an archive of my papers and FOSS code for a particular product
> sold/supported by .brand.
> 
> but, as i do now with my academic site, occasionally, i need to post
> something quickly so someone can see something, or grab something and i
> use this academic site for that purpose.  now i could do this even if my
> employer had given this to me purely for posting work items - for
> example those updates i made on FOSS code supported by the company i
> worked for.
> 
> so this would not be a domain name given for free expression, but i
> might have a laissez faire boss who gave it to me for a specific work
> purpose and who can tell me to take down anything he doesn't like but
> who does not mind the occasional public service announcement i put on
> it.  is this still a SRSU in your definition - it is, in a a sense,
> completely controlled.
> 
> also how does completely controlled extend to the 3rd level.  e.g. if i
> have activitst.branded-ngo under the complete control of the Famous
> Brand NGO and i want to give a third level name to every activist we
> support with funding would that be ok under SRSU?
> 
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> On 5 Jul 2010, at 10:00, Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbH wrote:
> 
> > Hi Avri,
> >
> > actually, what I mean by complete control, and YMMV, it just that:
> total control. Every bit of content placed on any domain under a SRSU
> domain has been placed there at the explicit request of the SRSU. A
> marketing campaign (designed by a different company, but ordered and
> approved by the SRSU), international divisions (part of the SRSU entity)
> and affiliates (if using certain preset modelsites) would all fall under
> such control. A domain given to an employee for self-expression would
> probably not.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Volker
> >>
> >>
> >>>> controls the names completely.
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been wondering what this really means.
> >>
> >> e.g when i used to have a real job, the laptop i used was completely
> owned by my employer.
> >>
> >> he gave it to me
> >> he tok it away when he wanted
> >> he could snoop on it all he liked
> >> and he could even slap my wrist if i did something wrong with it.
> >> but, pretty much i did with what i pleased while i had it.
> >> and different employers have different level of micromanagement with
> regard to the systems they distribute.
> >>
> >> likewise if my employer give me myname.brand
> >>
> >> he can take it away
> >> he can check it out anytime
> >> and he can slap my wrist if do bad.
> >> but i could post anything i thought i could get away with.
> >> at least until i was caught.
> >>
> >> is this what people mean by
> >>
> >>
> >>>> controls the names completely.     ?
> >>>>
> >>
> >> is it a matter of ultimate responsibility and liability, with no
> possibility of an intermediate's freedom from liability?
> >>
> >> a.
> >>
> >
> >
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