RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] a couple last items

[Milton L Mueller <mueller@xxxxxxx>]

The problem with lists of supporters is that it confuses substance with 
politics. We have the poll results to indicate how much support each proposal 
has, that is sufficient. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-
> feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:55 PM
> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] a couple last items
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> the names of those who foisted CAM on the rest of you are included in a
> footnote in CAM.
> 
> i have no objection to the RACK including its list of
> authors/proponents.
> 
> a.
> 
> information is a good thing, the more the better people can comment
> 
> 
> On 22 Jul 2010, at 14:45, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
> 
> > It is perfectly alright to include a list of supporters / proponents
> in EVERY proposal, but not in one or two of several proposals.  There
> may not be time to post lists of supporters of the remaining proposals
> and as Jeff Eckhaus pointed out, there is also the complication of
> participants who support multiple proposals. So the easy way out is to
> delete any list of supporters featured in any of the proposals.
> >
> >
> > Sivasubramanian M
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> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Ken Stubbs <kstubbs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >  Ken Stubbs wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> > Lets not try to turn this into some last minute subversive move by
> RACK+  to include a list of supporters.
> > The supporter list has been included in every RACK  proposal that was
> submitted to this WG starting
> > as far back as the middle of May.
> >
> > The IPC proposal has a detailed list of 15+ participants and I have no
> problem with that as well
> > There are also references in the CAM proposal to the proposers as
> well.
> >
> > I have no problems with including WG supporters on any of the
> proposals.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/22/2010 1:19 PM, Jeff Eckhaus wrote:
> > What if  I support multiple proposals? Should my name be on every
> proposal I support? Who is responsible for adding and collecting the
> supporters for each proposal?
> >
> > Maybe if we have supporters we should have opposers listed (not sure
> if opposers is a word, may need to ask Palin) .
> >
> > I am just pointing out how ridiculous this seems to be getting that
> people want to show their popularity and who was involved.  Is that how
> we want this to be judged, by the people who wrote the proposals? How
> about we actually let the proposals stand up on their own and be looked
> at for their merits.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-
> feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean Christophe VIGNES
> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:09 AM
> > To: Sivasubramanian M; Mike O'Connor
> > Cc: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] a couple last items
> >
> >
> > I fully agree. Besides the "supporters" for each proposal do appear
> clearly in the Polls so that is at best redundant.
> >
> > JC
> >
> > Le 22/07/10 18:24, « Sivasubramanian M »<isolatedn@xxxxxxxxx>  a écrit
> :
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > This is just a point about uniformity of the format of proposals as
> featured in the draft report.  On page 78, Rack + shows a list of
> supporters which was possibly a section that the Rack + draft included
> to list co-proposers. But in the draft report, Rack + happens to be the
> only proposal that shows a list of supporters. Outsiders may get the
> impression (on a rapid glance) that Rack + is the 'most supported'
> proposal, in the absence of a similar list of supporters in the other
> proposals. So this part of the Rack + proposal may please be deleted.
> >
> >
> > Sivasubramanian M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Mike O'Connor<mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > again, sorry if this is "too much information" but we've just had an
> intense storm run through here.  i need to go see if i still have a road
> to drive on.
> >
> > i'm hoping a) to be back on the air in about an hour and b) to see a
> way forward on those two remaining issues when i get back.
> >
> > looks like we're seeing some conversation on Antony's thread.  Jeff,
> stir yourself one last time and help us get your issue closed.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > mikey
> >
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