Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

[Antony Van Couvering <avc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think it is that difficult to identify consumer harms.   
Registries/registrars are probably quite adept at identifying harms to 
themselves.   Others may be good at pointing out what hurts consumers.   
Whoever is doing the identifying, a showing of either logic or evidence can 
move it from the "I fear that" to the "there is some chance" or "there is a 
good chance" column.  An opinion without evidence or logic is basically 
worthless.





On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I also disagree with Jeff. I am all for putting all potential harms on the 
> table, define the harms specifically and discuss their likelyhood and 
> possible solutions. I do not think excluding anyone from this work or 
> assuming they may be less qualified is helpfulat this stage. Lets hear from 
> all and then figure out together what is what.
> 
> Volker
> 
>> So Jeff, are you saying that only incumbent registries/registrars are 
>> 'qualified' enough to evaluate the likelihood of harms caused by new and 
>> different registration business models, some of which cannot be known?
>> 
>> That sounds self-serving, to say the least.
>> 
>> Mike Rodenbaugh
>> RODENBAUGH LAW
>> tel/fax:  +1 (415) 738-8087
>> http://rodenbaugh.com
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:32 AM
>> To: 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx'
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"
>> 
>> 
>> Avri,
>> 
>> I would not be in favor of this group assessing how likely the harms would 
>> be as I do not believe opinions coming from those that never operated a 
>> registry and a registrar together have any true basis by which to make a 
>> judgment.  I think our job would be to figure out what harms there are out 
>> there and how to address them.  But I fail to see how qualified we are as a 
>> group to assess how likely it will be for a registry that operates a 
>> registrar to engage in bad behavior.
>> 
>> An extreme analogy.  You take a loaded pistol and put it in front of 100 
>> people.  Can our group assess the percentage of those people that will 
>> actually use it on someone?  The answer is probably, no, we have no ability 
>> to do that.  However, we can address the what if scenario by saying, we can 
>> mitigate the potential harm by (1) making sure there is bullet proof glass 
>> in front of the 100 people, (2) making sure that the pistol is loaded with 
>> blanks....etc.
>> 
>> Maybe not the greatest analogy, but the point is that I do not believe this 
>> group is qualified to opine via a poll as to the likelihood of certain 
>> harms, but it can figure out ways to address them.
>> Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
>> Vice President, Law&  Policy
>> NeuStar, Inc.
>> Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wed Jul 28 01:48:29 2010
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Jul 2010, at 03:06, Antony Van Couvering wrote:
>> 
>>> Let's prioritize for harms that are dangerous AND most likely to occur.
>> I think after the Harms Sub Team lists all of the possible harms, setting 
>> these two values may be a good use for another of Mikey's polls were we each 
>> rate the degree of harm (H)  and the likelihood of  the harm occurring (L) 
>> on a 5 point scale.
>> 
>> then to arrive at the ranking factor =  H * L
>> 
>> and then averaging and showing range for each defined harm.
>> 
>> cheers,
>> 
>> a.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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