Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree that harms can be easily identified. And once they are, rules 
can be created to prevent them from occuring or having a devastating 
effect. We need to define them first, then devise a system to prevent them.
Volker
> I don't think it is that difficult to identify consumer harms.   Registries/registrars are probably quite 
> adept at identifying harms to themselves.   Others may be good at pointing out what hurts consumers.   
> Whoever is doing the identifying, a showing of either logic or evidence can move it from the "I fear 
> that" to the "there is some chance" or "there is a good chance" column.  An opinion 
> without evidence or logic is basically worthless.
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> On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I also disagree with Jeff. I am all for putting all potential harms on the 
> > table, define the harms specifically and discuss their likelyhood and possible 
> > solutions. I do not think excluding anyone from this work or assuming they may 
> > be less qualified is helpfulat this stage. Lets hear from all and then figure 
> > out together what is what.
> >
> > Volker
> >
> > > So Jeff, are you saying that only incumbent registries/registrars are 
> > > 'qualified' enough to evaluate the likelihood of harms caused by new and 
> > > different registration business models, some of which cannot be known?
> > >
> > > That sounds self-serving, to say the least.
> > >
> > > Mike Rodenbaugh
> > > RODENBAUGH LAW
> > > tel/fax:  +1 (415) 738-8087
> > > http://rodenbaugh.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On 
> > > Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:32 AM
> > > To: 'avri@xxxxxxx'; 'Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"
> > >
> > >
> > > Avri,
> > >
> > > I would not be in favor of this group assessing how likely the harms would be 
> > > as I do not believe opinions coming from those that never operated a registry 
> > > and a registrar together have any true basis by which to make a judgment.  I 
> > > think our job would be to figure out what harms there are out there and how to 
> > > address them.  But I fail to see how qualified we are as a group to assess how 
> > > likely it will be for a registry that operates a registrar to engage in bad 
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > > An extreme analogy.  You take a loaded pistol and put it in front of 100 
> > > people.  Can our group assess the percentage of those people that will actually 
> > > use it on someone?  The answer is probably, no, we have no ability to do that.  
> > > However, we can address the what if scenario by saying, we can mitigate the 
> > > potential harm by (1) making sure there is bullet proof glass in front of the 
> > > 100 people, (2) making sure that the pistol is loaded with blanks....etc.
> > >
> > > Maybe not the greatest analogy, but the point is that I do not believe this 
> > > group is qualified to opine via a poll as to the likelihood of certain harms, 
> > > but it can figure out ways to address them.
> > > Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> > > Vice President, Law&   Policy
> > > NeuStar, Inc.
> > > Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wed Jul 28 01:48:29 2010
> > > Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] Group on documenting "harms"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 Jul 2010, at 03:06, Antony Van Couvering wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let's prioritize for harms that are dangerous AND most likely to occur.
> > > I think after the Harms Sub Team lists all of the possible harms, setting these 
> > > two values may be a good use for another of Mikey's polls were we each rate the 
> > > degree of harm (H)  and the likelihood of  the harm occurring (L) on a 5 point 
> > > scale.
> > >
> > > then to arrive at the ranking factor =  H * L
> > >
> > > and then averaging and showing range for each defined harm.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > >
> > > a.
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> > Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> >
> > Volker A. Greimann
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