Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Fwd: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks Volunteers

[Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>]

+1 to Tijani's recollection...and posture.

- Carlton

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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM, <tijani.benjemaa@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I want here to recall that in the JAS WG, we fought to include community
> volunteers in the evaluation panel. We ended with a recommendation for a
> SARP composed of Community members and external experts.****
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> While discussing the ASP in the implementation group, I raised the point
> of having some external experts in the SARP, and the answer I got was that
> inside the community, we may find experts, and that it’s not closed, means
> we may call for some experts if needed.****
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> Yes, I’m in favor of a hybrid composition, but It’s much better for me to
> have the community members alone than external experts alone. The best is
> both together.****
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> *De :* owner-soac-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> owner-soac-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx] *De la part de* Evan Leibovitch
> *Envoyé :* lundi 13 février 2012 18:20
> *À :* amack
> *Cc :* Avri Doria; soac-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx
> *Objet :* Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Fwd: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks
> Volunteers****
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> I agree with Andrew on all points.****
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> I briefly considered applying myself, but recoiled after considering the
> time commitment on top of what I'm already doing here.****
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> I recall and strongly agree with the rationale behind not entrusting the
> process to professional consultants. But I also wonder if there's some kind
> of hybrid approach -- an honorarium, perhaps? -- that could address the
> fact that many capable potential applicants have a very real opportunity
> cost when considering participation.****
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> At least a nominal payment would also reduce incentives for the SARP
> members to be ... gamed.****
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> As for "what pot?" ... as far as I'm concerned, this is a public
> participation issue (in making the explicit move to attract community
> members to SARP rather than hired guns) and should be handled in the budget
> accordingly. Either that or the general gTLD budget. But not from the
> support pool.****
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> Evan Leibovitch****
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> Toronto Canada****
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> Em: evan at telly dot org****
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> Tw: el56****
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> On 13 February 2012 11:46, amack <amack@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
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> Avri,****
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> I know I have mentioned on some calls the concern that the time
> commitments for SARP membership is a lot to ask of pure volunteers, and
> that we may lose many of the people that might be best able to do the work.
>  ****
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> Not sure I agree with everything Marilyn says (certainly wouldn't want
> evaluators to be sued), but I do think the points have some merit.****
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> When Marilyn says "ICANN has the funds to do this", that sounds plausible
> but we wouldn't want the money to come out of the support fund.  So
> question to the entire group: If we wanted to propose a hybrid solution to
> allow some contracting, any ideas as to what pot of money these funds might
> come from?****
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> Thanks, Andrew****
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> *From: *Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> *Date: *Thu, 9 Feb 2012 20:37:48 -0500
> *To: *<soac-newgtldapsup-wg@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject: *[soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Fwd: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks Volunteers*
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> fyi****
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> Begin forwarded message:****
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> *From: *Marilyn Cade <marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx>****
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> *Subject: **RE: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks Volunteers*****
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> *Date: *9 February 2012 20:22:23 EST****
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> *To: *Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>, "liaison6c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <
> liaison6c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Chuck Gomes <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>****
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> Avri, thanks. ****
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> I understand now, that that was a JAS recommendation, and undoubtedly,
> many of us 'missed' it, as we are all drowning in too much to do, and too
> many public comments on too many topics and issues. ****
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> *[I was looking for an emoticon with a 'glub, glub, glub' set of rising
> bubbles... but didn't find that. Maybe that is a needed addition to
> emoticons. *]****
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> It is my view that the assessment of applications should be done by
> retained people,who accept a contract; declare no conflicts; and can be
> fired, or sued, if they violate their responsibilities to make fact based,
> neutral assessments. And, they can't be applicants, or advising applicants
> in any way. Needless to say, they also have to sign confidentiality
> agreements. ****
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> I am sorry that this was overlooked, but actually, I think that ICANN
> staff AND the board who review and sign off on proposals like this do have
> to pay attention to such details, and not abdicate accountability and
> responsibility.  For ICANN to be respected, and respectable in its
> integrity it does not have a rationale to ignore, or short cut what is
> considered good practice in allocating 'managed resources.'  That is what
> this is about. ****
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> Sometimes we can make uninformed recommendations, and the public comment
> process isn't catching these. ****
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> So, I am still of the view: hire people; make them sign a contract; no
> conflicts of interest allowed; and audit their work. That sounds pretty
> much like what ' good practice governance ' requires. ****
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> We want an ICANN with integrity; accountability, and auditability. That is
> also a way to ensure fairness in the assessments, so that no one is
> disadvantaged by lack of expertise, or lack of knowledge, or bias that may
> not be apparent. Volunteers are great. I am one. But, volunteers should not
> run aspects of the program like this one. ****
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> And, ICANN has the funds to do better than this. I am not suggesting that
> community members cannot apply for the 'jobs', but that volunteers cannot
> be tasked to replace what must be a contracted work assignment. ****
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> Marilyn Cade ****
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> > Subject: Re: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks Volunteers
> > From: avri@xxxxxxx
> > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 13:58:01 -0500
> > CC: Glen@xxxxxxxxx; liaison6c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: marilynscade@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > It was part of the JAS recommendation. No one objected in any of the
> reviews.
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> > Can't blame ICANN Staff for it though.
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> > avri
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> > On 9 Feb 2012, at 08:51, Marilyn Cade wrote:
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> > > Using volunteers for this purpose is seriously flawed, and limits
> accountability.
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> > > Marilyn Cade
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:15:30
> > > To: <liaison6c@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: [liaison6c] ICANN Seeks Volunteers
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> > > February 7, 2012
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> > > Volunteers Sought to Help Evaluate Generic Top-Level Domain Applicants
> Seeking Financial Support
> > >
> > > New Panel Will Help Expand Internet's Reach
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-3-03feb12-en.htm<
> http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-3-03feb12-en.htm>
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> > > Marina del Rey, California. The Internet Corporation for Assigned
> Names and Numbers (ICANN) is seeking volunteers who will assist in the
> evaluation of those organizations seeking financial support to apply for a
> new generic Top-Level Domain (gTLD).
> > > "These volunteers will be key to ICANN's effort to assure that the
> less-developed parts of the world are able to participate in the new Domain
> name program," said Kurt Pritz, Senior Vice President. "The panel members
> will make a real impact in ensuring that the opportunities for innovation
> and economic development created by the Internet are open to everyone."
> > > The volunteers will be chosen for their background and experience in
> areas such as running a small business, operating in developing economies,
> analyzing business plans, serving in the public interest, managing a domain
> name registry service, or awarding grants.
> > > The financial assistance component of the Applicant Support Program
> offers a limited number of qualifying applicants the opportunity to pay a
> reduced evaluation fee of $47,000 instead of the full evaluation fee of
> $185,000.
> > > The selected volunteers will assist in the evaluation of financial
> support applicants in the context of established public interest, financial
> capabilities and financial need criteria as outlined in the "Financial
> Assistance Handbook <
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support/financial-assistance-handbook-11jan12-en.pdf>
> ."
> > > Those who are interested in applying, should review the criteria, time
> commitment and other expectations, which are detailed here:
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support/sarp-eoi-request-03feb12-en.pdf
> > > ###
> > > * To learn more about the Applicant Support Program, go here:
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support.
> > >
> > > * To read the New gTLD Financial Assistance Handbook, go here:
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/candidate-support/financial-assistance-handbook-11jan12-en.pdf
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> > >
> > > * To learn more about the New gTLD program, go here:
> http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/program/materials
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> > > Glen de Saint Géry
> > > GNSO Secretariat
> > > gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <
> mailto:gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > http://gnso.icann.org
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