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Username: abloch
Date/Time: Mon, June 5, 2000 at 7:10 PM GMT (Mon, June 5, 2000 at 2:10 PM EST)
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Subject: CDT/Common Cause is right

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                        Thank you Andrew McLaughlin for all of your responses, although earlier responses would have made this process more effective.  Fearing that those with more experience might not be able to respond in time, I've decided to take the initiative and respond.

CDT/Common Cause ("CDT/CC") wrote:
>>2. The underlying goal of this election
>>– to provide representation to the Internet user
>>community “at large” –  must be kept foremost in
>>mind when setting the election procedures.  Many
>>key constituency groups already have representation
>>on the ICANN board through the “supporting organization”
>>seats.  It is important that the structure and
>>procedures for this election be dedicated to ensuring
>>that it achieves its goal of providing a voice to the
>>general Internet user community. 

Andrew McLaughlin ("AM") responded:
>As more fully elaborated below, I think that this statement reflects
>an erroneous conception.  The At Large membership and election
>processes are intended to ensure that the ICANN Board is reflective
>of and accountable to a general body of Internet users, not limited
>by any kind of segregation from the other branches of the ICANN tree.

I think this misconstrues what CDT/CC wrote.  CDT/CC did not argue that SO members should be excluded from this election.

Second, AM writes that "the ICANN Board" -- the entire ICANN Board, not just the At-Large board members -- should be "accountable to a general body of Internet users."  If the ICANN Board as a whole is to be accountable to a general body of users, and 9 of 19 members are accountable to only certain constituencies, then, for a fair balance, should not the remaining members be more accountable to members outside of those constituencies?

AM wrote:
>The SOs are specialized advisory bodies.  Each is open to any
>interested individual.  In the case of the DNSO, an interested
>individual can join a constituency, or a working group, or
>participate in the general assembly.  In the case of the ASO, an
>interested individual can participate in the open policy forums
>(online or at periodic meetings) of one (or more) of the regional
>Internet registries.  In the case of the PSO, an interested
>individual can participate in the IETF or another standards
>development organization.  A really interested individual with lots
>of free time might decide to participate in all three SOs, and to be
>an At Large member as well.

Yes, an individual can "participate" (just as anyone with internet access can participate is this forum), but individuals do not necessarily have the same ability to vote.

>In other words, there are no hard lines separating the At Large
>membership from the rest of the ICANN structure.  Ideally, all
>participants in the ICANN SOs will sign up to be At Large members,
>and many At Large members will choose to participate in the SOs.

There are many hard lines in the ICANN structure separating individuals and different types of organizations.  Take a closer look at the structures of the SOs.  Can any individual vote for or appoint someone to the ASO address council?  Can an individual join the ccTLD constituency and vote for ccTLD representatives to the DNSO names council?  I could go on.

>Put another way, there is no rationally tenable distinction that can
>be drawn between those involved in the SOs and "Internet users."

Great!  Now I can appoint two representatives to the PSO Protocol Council!

CDT/CC wrote:
>>1.  SELF-NOMINATION SHOULD BEGIN EARLIER
>>IN ORDER TO CREATE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
>>FOR ALL CANDIDATES. 

AM replied:
>This concern is well-stated, but seems misplaced to me.  I think it
>greatly exaggerates any potential advantages for the NomCom nominees.
>Given that the process will rely on web-based campaigning through the
>ICANN website, all candidates will begin to campaign on the same dy.
>Indeed, during the self-nomination process, the candidates for
>self-nomination will have all the focus.  Any advantage to the NomCom
>nominees from being announced early will be more than offset by the
>exclusive attention paid to self-nomination candidates during the
>month of the self-nomination phase.

Campaigns start long before the end of the nomination period.  NomCom nominees will have the distinct advantage of extra time to devote to preparation of their web-based campaign, while those seeking to become member-nominated candidates have to concentrate their efforts on gaining enough nominations.  If money is a factor, NomCom nominees will have a huge fundraising advantage, similar to being an incumbent.

>Moreover, ICANN has a specific mission: to preserve the stability of
>the Internet's DNS and IP addressing systems, while privatizing and
>internationalizing the related policymaking functions.  ICANN is not
>a government, nor is it a democracy.  It's a technical coordinating
>body with a specific, limited mandate;  as such, it seeks excellent
>Directors that together broadly reflect the functional and geographic
>diversity of the global Internet community.

Though ICANN has no geographical territory, ICANN is a body much like a "government".   ICANN has oversight in a defined territory or "space" in cyberspace.  ICANN's articles of incorporation, http://www.icann.org/general/articles.htm , states that ICANN shall develop public policies and perform or oversee certain public functions.  Note the use of the word "public" several times, and no mention of "private" or "privatization" in the 3rd paragraph of the articles of incorporation.

>>3.   THE NOMINATIONS COMMITTEE SHOULD BE REQUIRED
>>TO SELECT SEVERAL CANDIDATES FOR EACH BOARD SEAT.
>
>I agree with this.  You might want to send a note specifically to the
>NomCom (nominations@icann.org).

Of course, sending a note to NomCom asking them to volunteer to do something is a poor substitute for the ICANN board REQUIRING the NomCom to do the same thing.

>>4.  SELF-NOMINATION SHOULD BE MADE EASIER AND
>>REQUIRE A LOWER THRESHOLD OF SUPPORT. 
>
>In general, I'm persuaded that a lower threshold is a good idea.  I
>think the point about August being a big vacation month is a good one
>too, though I don't think much can be done about it.  The regions are
>of *very* different sizes (members-wise), so I favor the use of a
>fixed percentage, rather than absolute numbers.  I think 1-2% is too
>low.

Isn't this election going to be done electronically?  There is no need for a fixed minimum threshold.  It would be an almost trivial task to program the election site to list nominees in order of number of nominations, or to allow each voter to choose his or her own threshold for listing candidates.  It's very hard to predict how many nominees there will be and what will be an appropriate threshold.  In the face of uncertainty, flexibility triumphs.

>>5.  MEMBERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MORE THAN
>>ONE CANDIDATE FOR SELF-NOMINATION.
>
>This is a well-stated point, as usual.  But I'm not persuaded.  I
>think that the point of the self-nomination process is to allow
>candidates with appreciable support open access to the ballot.  Given
>that voters will (ultimately) be able to elect only candidate, it
>seems perfectly rational to me to limit them to support the one
>candidate they like best for nomination. 

This issue is inextricably tied up with the threshold for member-nominees.  If there are no firm thresholds, as I suggest, then this issue is less important.  However, if the threshold is even as low as 1-2%, this could be critical.  The question then is not whether it is rational to limit a voter to select only one candidate, but whether this limitation overly restricts a candidate's ability to win enough support to pass the threshold.

Andrew Bloch
Internet User

     
     
     

 


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