Re: Apology is called for

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Brian and all,

Brian E Carpenter wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Your personal attack on Dave Crocker is shameful. We are seeking
> consensus here, and being rude is no help.

  Well Dave has been rude on three separate occasions in two days
on these lists to Richard, myself and others.  Dave Crocker is an ASS!

> Dave has made many serious
> contributions, as has his brother, and your comment is beyond
> any reasonable bounds. You owe Dave, and Steve, a public apology.

  First of all Richard already apologized.  Secondly, Dave Crocker
owes Richard and myself an apology and the rest of the list one as
well.

>
>
>   Brian Carpenter
>
> Richard J. Sexton wrote:
> >
> > At 12:06 PM 7/13/98 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > >Milton,
> > >
> > >At 09:33 PM 7/12/98 -0400, mueller wrote:
> > >>almost incomprehensible. ISI's involvement with the Internet is purely a
> > >>product of US Government funding. IANA is nothing but a government contract
> > >
> > >I'm sorry to have to say this, and to say it this way, but statements like
> > >the above demonstrate the kind of confusion about ISI and IANA that are
> > >prevalent around the world, particularly among those with no experience in
> > >Internet development or operations.  The reality of IANA's position has
> > >been stated and restated many times, yet that reality continues to be
> > >ignored.  The fact that the US government's Green and White papers go to
> > >some lengths to substantiate the basis for your view does not make that
> > >view correct.
> > >
> > >IANA gets its authority from the Internet operations and development
> > >community.  It always has.  And it has always worked collaboratively with
> > >that community.  Having been part of that community, I speak from
> > >first-hand knowledge.  If you have first-hand data which runs contrary to
> > >my own, direct experience about IANA's activities -- independent of its
> > >funding -- please provide it.
> > >
> > >One more time:  IANA funding has come from the US government.  It's
> > >authority has come from the Internet community.
> >
> > Martin;
> >
> > Don't let this idiot get you down. He is *severely* undereducated
> > and likes to brag about "operaitonal experience" although he's
> > been faking it for years. Dave had made a career out of editing
> > other poeples work. For example, he is listed as the author of
> > RFC822 the spec for emamil. Daves brother actually wrote it,
> > Dave just got his name in it.
> >
> > IANA rules by will of the community ? That might have been
> > true in a 5000 host network, but a vast majority of the
> > 100,000,000 users of the net have no idea who IANA is...
> > or was.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --
> > The most important thing in the programming language is the name.  A
> > language will not succeed without a good name.  I have recently invented
> > a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
> >      -- D. E. Knuth, 1967

 regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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