RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

["Patrick Jones" <patrick.jones@xxxxxxxxx>]

I suspect that you are asking for information that can only be provided by
the registries - this would be specialized data and it is not something that
ICANN staff has.

If a name is "re-registered" in one month, 3 months, 6 months or one year
after the initial registration (and deletion after 5 days), how can you call
that "kiting"? I think Jothan's comment earlier today was very helpful in
drawing the distinction between "kiting" and tasting. See
http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-dt-wg/msg00031.html. We should be
distinguishing between the "intent not to pay" ("kiting") vs "reviewing the
suitability of a domain name" ("tasting"), and then looking for specific
facts and research on how the five day add grace period may or may not be
contributing to abuse.

Patrick

Patrick L. Jones
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Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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Marina del Rey, CA 90292
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:18 PM
To: Neuman, Jeff; Paul Stahura; Danny Younger; Tim Ruiz;
gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

I would say the data would be more relevant without restrictions of
"re-registered more than say 3 times, each time immediately prior to the
last" -- if it is done twice by related parties then I would consider it
kiting, and it need not be necessarily immediate since I imagine some of
the kiters are smart enough to wait and re-register after some time.  I
would like to know how many domains have been re-registered more than
once and dropped during AGP, by any related registrar, within a year.
Of course it is tough to define 'related registrar' and so maybe the
best we can do is have the raw number of domains dropped in AGP and
re-registered within another 5 days, one month, 3 mos., 6 mos. and one
year?  That wouldn't necessarily prove that all of those domains were
kited, but may be useful info at least to show the maximum extent of
kiting.

Is this something ICANN Staff could possibly do, or would we need
registries to provide custom data?

Mike Rodenbaugh


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Paul Stahura; Danny Younger; Tim Ruiz; gnso-dt-wg@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [gnso-dt-wg] Collecting Facts

I will see if I can dig up some stats for NeuStar....recognizing of
course the amount of tasting in .biz is pretty much insignificant at
this point compared to .com.

Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. 
Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & Business Development 

NeuStar, Inc.