Re: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Charter Question (C): Change of Registrant

["Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 15 Jul 2010, at 15:19, Chris Chaplow wrote:

> 
> Rob,
> 
> That is interesting.  
> 
> Joe Bloggs DBA "Bloggs Domains" can become Joe
> Bloggs DBA "Bloggs and Sons Domains" - the "legal" entity and therefore
> party to the .uk registration agreement remains Joe Bloggs (individual)
> 
> In the .uk reg agreement (which I am not familiar with) does  'Joe Bloggs'
> go in the registrant name field and 'Bloggs Domains'  in a secondary  field
> or is it common practice for a firm to be registrant in their invented
> marketing name "Bloggs Domains"

Two examples:
1:

Domain name:
        blacknightdomains.co.uk

    Registrant:
        Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd

    Registrant type:
        Non-UK Corporation

    Registrant's address:
        Unit 12a,Barrowside Business Park
        Carlow
        Carlow
        000000
        Ireland

2:
  Domain name:
        mneylon.co.uk

    Registrant:
        Michele Neylon

    Registrant type:
        Non-UK Individual

    Registrant's address:
        The registrant is a non-trading individual who has opted to have their
        address omitted from the WHOIS service.

    Registrar:
        Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd t/a Blacknight Solutions [Tag = 
BLACKNIGHT-IE]
        URL: http://www.blacknight.com

    Relevant dates:
        Registered on: 28-Jun-2006
        Renewal date:  28-Jun-2012
        Last updated:  13-Jul-2010

You have two factors - the "registrant" and the "registrant type"

Compare to say IE ccTLD:

a personal reg:


domain:      browse.ie
descr:       Michele Neylon
descr:       Natural Person
descr:       Discretionary Name
admin-c:     ABG182-IEDR
tech-c:      AAM456-IEDR
renewal:     23-March-2012
status:      Active
nserver:     ns.blacknightsolutions.com
nserver:     ns2.blacknightsolutions.com
source:      IEDR

vs a corporate:

domain:      emailhosting.ie
descr:       Blacknight Internet Solutions Limited
descr:       Body Corporate (Ltd,PLC,Company)
descr:       Discretionary Name
admin-c:     AKF583-IEDR
tech-c:      AAM456-IEDR
renewal:     14-July-2011
status:      Active
nserver:     ns1.blacknight.com
nserver:     ns2.blacknight.com
source:      IEDR


vs a "sole trader":

domain:      films.ie
descr:       Michele Neylon
descr:       Sole Trader
descr:       Discretionary Name
admin-c:     ABG182-IEDR
tech-c:      AAM456-IEDR
renewal:     07-June-2011
status:      Active
nserver:     NS.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
nserver:     NS2.BLACKNIGHTSOLUTIONS.COM
source:      IEDR




> 
> 
> In the .es and many latin law countries in Europe (I understand) they are
> quite strict that you register a legal name, be it a 'persona fisica'   or a
> 'persona juridical'  


The same applies with .eu (not surprisingly)

Though the way the registry handles it is pretty simple - if you provide data 
in the "organisation" field you're considered to be "trading" .. 

Regards

Michele


> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Chaplow
> Managing Director
> Andalucía.com S.L.
> Avenida del Carmen 9
> Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo
> 1ª Planta, Oficina 30
> Estepona, 29680
> Malaga, Spain
> Tel: + (34) 952 897 865
> Fax: + (34) 952 897 874
> E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Web: www.andaluciaws.com
> 
> 
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: owner-gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Rob Golding
> Enviado el: miércoles, 14 de julio de 2010 23:30
> Para: gnso-irtp-b-jun09@xxxxxxxxx
> Asunto: RE: [gnso-irtp-b-jun09] Charter Question (C): Change of Registrant
> 
> 
>> In the case of a .tel or a co.uk putting in the company changes the
>> options on whois etc., significantly
>> For a co.uk you'd need to go through their change of registrant process
>> to switch it back
> 
> It's important to recognise the difference between *company* and *business*
> - in UK terms a "company" can only be called so if it I registered with
> Companies House, which makes it a legal entity in it's own right 
> - so changing a registrant from Joe-Bloggs to Joe-Bloggs-Ltd or
> Joe-Bloggs-Ltd to Joe-Blggs-Plc requires a change-of-registrant process
> 
> However a firm, sole-trader, partnership, etc are not legal entities in UK
> law, and Nominet on .uk domains allow you to alternate between them as it's
> not a change of registrar - Joe Bloggs DBA "Bloggs Domains" can become Joe
> Bloggs DBA "Bloggs and Sons Domains" - the "legal" entity and therefore
> party to the .uk registration agreement remains Joe Bloggs (individual)
> 
> Rob
> 
> 

Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
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ICANN Accredited Registrar
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