Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting

[Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello All,

I am little surprised that the most active groups (and those having strong
interests in domain names) sounds having problems to find people who can
commit and volunteer :)

let's say that the 2 years term and 2 terms limitations is the  worse case,
but if Registrar group want 1 year term, it is up to them. if the limitation
is 3 years in office which is less than 4 years (2+2 in GNSO) it may be
accepted too.


we need to find common ground, I am really worried that we are keeping
exceptions every time for each recommendation and making them too much weak
with all these rewording .
@Krista it is important to mandate a length of time for term, otherwise
there is a risk  capture  and less accountability.

Regards

Rafik
2010/3/19 Papac, Krista <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

>
>    1. It is not easy to find people who can commit to two-year terms.  In
>    the case of my SG, we already need three people who can commit to two-year
>    terms if we extend the requirement to the EC also, it means we now need
>    seven people who can make such a commitment.  This is not practical or
>    easily done.
>    2. I don’t believe it is the GNSO’s purpose nor their goal to tell
>    GROUPs what their term limits should be, but rather to develop common
>    principles.  Term limits are a common principle and should be applied, but
>    how does the GNSO know what is an appropriate term limit for a given group?
>    3. I don’t understand why we feel it is appropriate to mandate any
>    length of time for a term.  Victoria, why do you feel so strongly about
>    setting the term limit and/or setting it to two-years?
>    4. I agree with Zahid, it is not a matter of status quo or interest.
>    It is a practical matter.
>
>
>
>
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> Krista Papac
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> *From:* owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Victoria McEvedy
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:23 PM
> *To:* zahid@xxxxxxxxx; Papac, Krista; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; Rafik
> Dammak
>
> *Cc:* Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
> *Subject:* RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010
> NairobiMeeting
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> Simpler, standardized and easier to understand Groups should be less
> logistically challenging for all.
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> Its not a matter of status quo or any interest. It will be a logistical
> challenge just to implement such a situation.
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> Sincerely,
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> *From: *Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> *Date: *Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:13:16 +0000
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> *To: *zahid@xxxxxxxxx<zahid@xxxxxxxxx>; Papac, Krista<
> Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx<
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> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010
> NairobiMeeting
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> But is our mission to recreate or justify the status quo?
>
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>
> It seems we may have lost sight of the BGC’s aims here.
>
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>
> If the recommendations are to be no more than everyone can do their own
> thing as long as they record it in their charters ----we have wasted a great
> deal of time and effort.
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> *From:* owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Zahid Jamil
> *Sent:* 18 March 2010 22:04
> *To:* Papac, Krista; owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; Rafik Dammak
> *Cc:* Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
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> I agree with Krista. The BC similarly has varying term limits of EC
> compared to Councillors -we even have variance in between councillors.
>
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> Sincerely,
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> *From: *"Papac, Krista" <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> *Date: *Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:35:37 -0400
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> *To: *Rafik Dammak<rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>
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> *Cc: *Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>; gnso-osc-csg<
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> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi
> Meeting
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>
>
> Hello Rafik,
>
>
>
> I do not think EC term limits have to consistent with GNSO term limits.  In
> fact, in the RrSG our current term limits are different than our GNSO term
> limits.  RrSG EC term limits are one-year terms, with a consecutive
> three-year restriction in the same office.  I think it is widely accepted
> that GNSO Councilors serve two-year terms, but elected EC officials vary.
> Sometimes it is difficult to get an EC official to commit for such a lengthy
> term – and at the end of the day, I feel any and all term limits should be
> as set out in the Charter of the GROUP.  Although, since the GNSO Councilor
> office affects most/all GROUPS I can see a need for a consistent policy
> there.
>
>
>
> I hope that helps.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Krista
>
>
>
> Krista Papac
> Iron Mountain Digital
> 5530 Bandini Blvd**
> Bell**, CA**  90201**  US**
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>
> Gartner advises: “It is also important that the licensee continue to track
> the software vendor’s financials and viability annually, because any signs
> of financial problems would justify the cost of verification services.”
> Continue reading the full report at:
> http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/ironmountain/170569.html
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:01 AM
> *To:* Papac, Krista
> *Cc:* Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi
> Meeting
>
>
>
> Hello Krista,
>
>
>
>
>
> do you think that EC shouldn't comply to term limitations which is applied
> to GNSO council itself?
>
>
>
> Rafik
>
> 2010/3/15 Papac, Krista <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> Here are my suggested changes to Part II, Section 4a.  Additions are
> bracketed in red capital letters and deletions are stricken through in red.
>
>
>
> 4. Elections
>
> a. All  {GROUP} {CHARTERS SHALL CLEARLY DELINEATE HOW) {ELECTED
> POSITIONS}, including representatives to Stakeholder Group {EXECUTIVE
> COMMITTEES} and the GNSO Council, shall {BE ELECTED, WHAT THE TERM LIMITS
> ARE FOR EACH POSITION, AND MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} have a maximum two year
> limit and a maximum of two consecutive terms {IN THAT  THE SAME POSITION}.
> {ANY OTHER PROCEDURES RELATED TO ELECTIONS OR EXCEPTIONS TO ELECTION
> PROCEDURES MUST ALSO BE DESCRIBED IN THE GROUP CHARTER.}  An Officer who
> has served two consecutive terms must remain out of office for one full term
> prior to serving any subsequent term {IN THAT SAME POSITION   {GROUPS}  MAY}
> elect terms and term limits below these maximums at their discretion. {WHEN
> CIRCUMSTANCES DEMAND EXCEPTIONS TO THIS REQUIREMENT. EXCEPTIONS MAY ONLY BE
> MADE WITH SUPPORT FROM TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP.}
> b. It is recommended {GOING FORWARD} that  {GROUPS} publish and maintain a
> list of all Office holders, past and present, { {GROUP} members and to
> provide transparency for term limits.
>
>
>
> I also want to comment on Part II, Section 1c.  I believe we may have
> closed this section out, but since I was unable to make the calls due to the
> reschedule time I am providing my comment to the WT in hopes we can make a
> change.  This section (pasted below) refers to Executive Committees and term
> limits.  From the perspective of the RrSG, this section should also refer to
> the Group Charter, rather than dictating what term limits are. I have
> suggested changes below.  Additions are bracketed in red capital letters and
> deletions are stricken through in red.
>
>
>
> 1. Executive Committees:
>
> a. All Executive Committees must promptly publish action points, decisions
> and any resolutions to constituency members. It is recommended that prompt
> publication means within a reasonable period and a guideline is between 72
> hours and 1 week of the relevant meeting.
> b. All Executive Committees must publish to constituency members their
> rules and procedures, decision making process and criteria.
> c. A limit of two years per term and a maximum {NUMBER OF CONSECUTIVE} of
> two terms per office being a total maximum of four years in any 
> office(hereafter Term Limits) shall apply to members of Executive Committees 
> {AND
> MUST BE DESCRIBED IN THE GROUP CHARTER}. {GROUP CHARTERS MUST ALSO HAVE
> PROCEDURES FOR REELECTING MEMBERS} A member who has  {HAVE} served two {THE
> MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} consecutive terms on the Executive Committee must
> remain out of office for one full term prior to serving any subsequent term
> as a member of the Executive Committee {IN THE SAME POSITION). {ANY
> EXCEPTION TO THIS POLICY WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE MEMBERSHIP.} {MUST
> ALSO BE OUTLINED IN THE GROUP CHARTER.}
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Krista
>
>
>
> Krista Papac
> Iron Mountain Digital
> 5530 Bandini Blvd
> Bell, CA  90201  US
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> *“Software Escrow for Dummies”** - order your complimentary copy t*oday at
> www.ironmountain.com/escrowfordummies
>
>
>
> *New Gartner Report: Successful Software Escrow Requires Planning and
> Negotiation*
>
> Gartner advises: “It is also important that the licensee continue to track
> the software vendor’s financials and viability annually, because any signs
> of financial problems would justify the cost of verification services.”
> Continue reading the full report at:
> http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/ironmountain/170569.html
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Julie Hedlund
> *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2010 1:21 AM
> *To:* gnso-osc-csg
>
>
> *Subject:* [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 Nairobi Meeting
>
>
>
> Dear Work Team members,
>
>
>
> Here are the actions/summary from yesterday’s meeting.  Please let me know
> if you have any changes or questions.  Our next meeting will be held n*ext
> Friday, 26 March at 1300 UTC/0600 PST/0900 EST for one hour.*  The actions
> and summary are included on the wiki at: *
> https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_operations_team*.
>  Final agreed-upon changes to the Task 1, Subtask 1 document are on the wiki
> at: *
> https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_stakeholder_group_operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_1
> * and the Task 1, Subtask 2 document at: *
> https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_and_stake_holder_group_operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_2
> *.  Changes are shown in ALL CAPS, strikeout, and curly brackets.  Thank
> you very much.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Julie
>
> *Action Items:
> *1. *Work Team members* are requested to review the "Revised Language in
> Task 1, Subtask 2 through the end of Part II, Section 8 and provide any
> comments by the next meeting on *Friday 26 March.
> *2. *Section 4 Elections Paragraph a: Krista Papac* agreed to suggest
> alternate language.
> 3. *Section 5 Voting:*
>
>    - *Paragraph a and b: Mary Wong and Zahid Jamil* are requested to
>    review the revised language.
>    - *New paragraph d: Work Team members* are requested to consider and
>    comment on the language.
>
> 4. *Section 8 Policy:*
>
>    - *Paragraph a: Victoria McEvedy* is requested to provide clarification
>    on the meaning of the statement.
>    - *Paragraph d: Mary Wong* is requested to provide alternate language
>    for Work Team consideration.
>
>
> *Summary:*
>
>    - Task 1, Subtask 1: Work Team members agreed to the final version of
>    the revised recommendations.
>    - Task 1, Subtask 2: Work Team members reviewed and discussed changes
>    through Part II, Section 8 Policy.
>
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