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RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting
- To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>, "Papac, Krista" <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010 NairobiMeeting
- From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:04:02 -0400
Do we not have a call today? I just called in and was told no call was
scheduled.
Chuck
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[mailto:owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rafik Dammak
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:54 AM
To: Papac, Krista
Cc: Victoria McEvedy; zahid@xxxxxxxxx;
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx; Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010
NairobiMeeting
Hello All,
I am little surprised that the most active groups (and those
having strong interests in domain names) sounds having problems to find
people who can commit and volunteer :)
let's say that the 2 years term and 2 terms limitations is the
worse case, but if Registrar group want 1 year term, it is up to them.
if the limitation is 3 years in office which is less than 4 years (2+2
in GNSO) it may be accepted too.
we need to find common ground, I am really worried that we are
keeping exceptions every time for each recommendation and making them
too much weak with all these rewording .
@Krista it is important to mandate a length of time for term,
otherwise there is a risk capture and less accountability.
Regards
Rafik
2010/3/19 Papac, Krista <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
1. It is not easy to find people who can commit to
two-year terms. In the case of my SG, we already need three people who
can commit to two-year terms if we extend the requirement to the EC
also, it means we now need seven people who can make such a commitment.
This is not practical or easily done.
2. I don't believe it is the GNSO's purpose nor
their goal to tell GROUPs what their term limits should be, but rather
to develop common principles. Term limits are a common principle and
should be applied, but how does the GNSO know what is an appropriate
term limit for a given group?
3. I don't understand why we feel it is appropriate
to mandate any length of time for a term. Victoria, why do you feel so
strongly about setting the term limit and/or setting it to two-years?
4. I agree with Zahid, it is not a matter of status
quo or interest. It is a practical matter.
Krista Papac
Iron Mountain Digital
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:23 PM
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Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 NairobiMeeting
Simpler, standardized and easier to understand Groups
should be less logistically challenging for all.
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Sent: 18 March 2010 22:18
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Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 NairobiMeeting
Its not a matter of status quo or any interest. It will
be a logistical challenge just to implement such a situation.
Sincerely,
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From: Victoria McEvedy <victoria@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:13:16 +0000
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Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 NairobiMeeting
But is our mission to recreate or justify the status
quo?
It seems we may have lost sight of the BGC's aims here.
If the recommendations are to be no more than everyone
can do their own thing as long as they record it in their charters
----we have wasted a great deal of time and effort.
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Dammak
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Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 NairobiMeeting
I agree with Krista. The BC similarly has varying term
limits of EC compared to Councillors -we even have variance in between
councillors.
Sincerely,
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From: "Papac, Krista" <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 12:35:37 -0400
To: Rafik Dammak<rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Julie Hedlund<julie.hedlund@xxxxxxxxx>;
gnso-osc-csg<gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 Nairobi Meeting
Hello Rafik,
I do not think EC term limits have to consistent with
GNSO term limits. In fact, in the RrSG our current term limits are
different than our GNSO term limits. RrSG EC term limits are one-year
terms, with a consecutive three-year restriction in the same office. I
think it is widely accepted that GNSO Councilors serve two-year terms,
but elected EC officials vary. Sometimes it is difficult to get an EC
official to commit for such a lengthy term - and at the end of the day,
I feel any and all term limits should be as set out in the Charter of
the GROUP. Although, since the GNSO Councilor office affects most/all
GROUPS I can see a need for a consistent policy there.
I hope that helps.
Thanks,
Krista
Krista Papac
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From: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:01 AM
To: Papac, Krista
Cc: Julie Hedlund; gnso-osc-csg
Subject: Re: [gnso-osc-csg] RE: Actions/Summary: 07
March 2010 Nairobi Meeting
Hello Krista,
do you think that EC shouldn't comply to term
limitations which is applied to GNSO council itself?
Rafik
2010/3/15 Papac, Krista <Krista.Papac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
All,
Here are my suggested changes to Part II, Section 4a.
Additions are bracketed in red capital letters and deletions are
stricken through in red.
4. Elections
a. All {GROUP} {CHARTERS SHALL CLEARLY DELINEATE HOW)
{ELECTED POSITIONS}, including representatives to Stakeholder Group
{EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES} and the GNSO Council, shall {BE ELECTED, WHAT THE
TERM LIMITS ARE FOR EACH POSITION, AND MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} have a maximum
two year limit and a maximum of two consecutive terms {IN THAT THE SAME
POSITION}. {ANY OTHER PROCEDURES RELATED TO ELECTIONS OR EXCEPTIONS TO
ELECTION PROCEDURES MUST ALSO BE DESCRIBED IN THE GROUP CHARTER.} An
Officer who has served two consecutive terms must remain out of office
for one full term prior to serving any subsequent term {IN THAT SAME
POSITION {GROUPS} MAY} elect terms and term limits below these
maximums at their discretion. {WHEN CIRCUMSTANCES DEMAND EXCEPTIONS TO
THIS REQUIREMENT. EXCEPTIONS MAY ONLY BE MADE WITH SUPPORT FROM
TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP.}
b. It is recommended {GOING FORWARD} that {GROUPS}
publish and maintain a list of all Office holders, past and present, {
{GROUP} members and to provide transparency for term limits.
I also want to comment on Part II, Section 1c. I
believe we may have closed this section out, but since I was unable to
make the calls due to the reschedule time I am providing my comment to
the WT in hopes we can make a change. This section (pasted below)
refers to Executive Committees and term limits. From the perspective of
the RrSG, this section should also refer to the Group Charter, rather
than dictating what term limits are. I have suggested changes below.
Additions are bracketed in red capital letters and deletions are
stricken through in red.
1. Executive Committees:
a. All Executive Committees must promptly publish action
points, decisions and any resolutions to constituency members. It is
recommended that prompt publication means within a reasonable period and
a guideline is between 72 hours and 1 week of the relevant meeting.
b. All Executive Committees must publish to constituency
members their rules and procedures, decision making process and
criteria.
c. A limit of two years per term and a maximum {NUMBER
OF CONSECUTIVE} of two terms per office being a total maximum of four
years in any office (hereafter Term Limits) shall apply to members of
Executive Committees {AND MUST BE DESCRIBED IN THE GROUP CHARTER}.
{GROUP CHARTERS MUST ALSO HAVE PROCEDURES FOR REELECTING MEMBERS} A
member who has {HAVE} served two {THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF} consecutive
terms on the Executive Committee must remain out of office for one full
term prior to serving any subsequent term as a member of the Executive
Committee {IN THE SAME POSITION). {ANY EXCEPTION TO THIS POLICY WOULD
REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE MEMBERSHIP.} {MUST ALSO BE OUTLINED IN THE GROUP
CHARTER.}
Thank you,
Krista
Krista Papac
Iron Mountain Digital
5530 Bandini Blvd
Bell, CA 90201 US
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continue to track the software vendor's financials and viability
annually, because any signs of financial problems would justify the cost
of verification services." Continue reading the full report at:
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From: owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:
owner-gnso-osc-csg@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:21 AM
To: gnso-osc-csg
Subject: [gnso-osc-csg] Actions/Summary: 07 March 2010
Nairobi Meeting
Dear Work Team members,
Here are the actions/summary from yesterday's meeting.
Please let me know if you have any changes or questions. Our next
meeting will be held next Friday, 26 March at 1300 UTC/0600 PST/0900 EST
for one hour. The actions and summary are included on the wiki at:
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_operations_team.
Final agreed-upon changes to the Task 1, Subtask 1 document are on the
wiki at:
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_stakeholder_group_
operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_1 and the Task 1, Subtask 2 document
at:
https://st.icann.org/icann-osc/index.cgi?constituency_and_stake_holder_g
roup_operations_work_team_task_1_subtask_2. Changes are shown in ALL
CAPS, strikeout, and curly brackets. Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Julie
Action Items:
1. Work Team members are requested to review the
"Revised Language in Task 1, Subtask 2 through the end of Part II,
Section 8 and provide any comments by the next meeting on Friday 26
March.
2. Section 4 Elections Paragraph a: Krista Papac agreed
to suggest alternate language.
3. Section 5 Voting:
* Paragraph a and b: Mary Wong and Zahid Jamil are
requested to review the revised language.
* New paragraph d: Work Team members are requested
to consider and comment on the language.
4. Section 8 Policy:
* Paragraph a: Victoria McEvedy is requested to
provide clarification on the meaning of the statement.
* Paragraph d: Mary Wong is requested to provide
alternate language for Work Team consideration.
Summary:
* Task 1, Subtask 1: Work Team members agreed to
the final version of the revised recommendations.
* Task 1, Subtask 2: Work Team members reviewed
and discussed changes through Part II, Section 8 Policy.
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