RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Mikey's wish lists

[Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Rob, A few points:

- First, we are talking about what we would like to happen, not how 
it is today. Although the new, currently fictitious, "registrant 
expiration date" would likely be in the part of thin whois stored at 
the registrar, it *could* be part of the registry data and available 
everywhere.
- You are probably right that some registrars make it really obvious 
if you use their WHOIS. It would be nice to have some hard facts 
here, but I concede that in some cases, it may work fine.
- On others, it doesn't
- I wasn't actually suggesting that the domain show that it is in the 
45 day window (although it may have come out that way). I was 
suggesting that whois show that (in your example) the domain expired 
on March 10 2010 until the RAE pays for the next year(s) or the 
domain is taken over by someone else who pays for the (then current) 
year. Bottom line, when a registrant has the initiative to look at 
whois, it should tell them if they have renewed or not.
Alan

At 08/02/2010 07:54 PM, Rob Hall wrote:
> Alan,
>
> I don't think there is a way for the Registrar to actually send a renew
> command to the Registry during that 45 day period that would change the
> status.
>
> For example, lets say your domain expired on March 10th, 2010.   On
> March 20th, you are suggesting that somehow the whois show that domain
> is in the 45 day window, and has not yet been renewed.
>
> Now on March 24th, the RAE goes and renews the domain at the Registrar.
>
> If the Registrar sends a "renewal" command, it would add an additional
> year for 2 in total.  Ie: the expiry would become March 10th, 2012.
>
> If the Registrar does nothing, the domain will renew on March 10, 2011.
>
> The problem is, the RAE will think he paid for it, so why does the whois
> not change.
>
> I think that a lot of Registrars do display information as to the state
> of the domain in their whois.  That is different than what the Registry
> whois shows.
>
> But it means the customer should be doing the whois on the website of
> the Registrar, not through port 43 or at the Registry.
>
> Rob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:owner-gnso-pednr-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 5:03 PM
> To: Jeff Eckhaus; Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
> Cc: PEDNR
> Subject: RE: [gnso-pednr-dt] Mikey's wish lists
>
>
> At 08/02/2010 04:48 PM, Jeff Eckhaus wrote:
>
> >As for the expiration date in the whois, once the registry
> >auto-renews, than the new expiration date is one year out. Does not
> >matter if the RAE has paid the registrar yet. I cannot see any
> >system where the whois would reflect if the RAE had paid for the
> >renewal or not.
>
> Jeff, There is no such system now. What is being suggested is that we
> make a change to have a separate whois field that DOES *clearly*
> reflect whether the RAE has paid for the addition year (or more), or
> if the domain is still in a state where it has expired but there is
> still an opportunity to renew.
>
> Alan