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RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean by "single registrant"?

  • To: "Neuman,Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean by "single registrant"?
  • From: "Tim Ruiz" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 13:43:59 -0700
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font-size:10pt;"><div>The number matters when it potentially involves unfair 
competition - I work for IBM so I'll use my free (or whatever) .ibm instead of 
registering a .something else. If it is solely to conduct IBM business, a 
public root TLD is not needed. They can, and probably are, doing that today on 
their private network.</div>
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<div>Tim</div>
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[gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean by "single registrant"?<BR>From: "Neuman, Jeff" 
&lt;Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Mon, April 05, 2010 3:17 pm<BR>To: Tim 
Ruiz &lt;tim@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: "Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx" 
&lt;Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><BR>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #00b050; 
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Is number of domain names the criteria for single 
registrant?&nbsp; I didn’t (and still do not) think so.&nbsp; That is why we 
excluded numbers in Neustar’s proposal. &nbsp;The reality is that we need to be 
creative and give ICANN some latitude to interpret the intent of the 
policy.&nbsp; If the intent is being circumvented, then ICANN needs to have the 
tools to actually enforce that intent and not be afraid of litigating the issue 
when necessary.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #00b050; 
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #00b050; 
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I still do not understand the benefit for the employees of 
using any registrars for a .neustar that I want to give to my employees or 
contractors to use to conduct their business.&nbsp; &nbsp;Everyone is quick to 
ask the question of what benefits there are to consumers with keeping the 
status quo with respect to registry/registrar separation.&nbsp; So, I am asking 
a similar question.&nbsp; What is the benefit of having registrars for a single 
registrant/user TLD.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div>
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
#00b050; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Jeffrey J. Neuman</SPAN></B><B><SPAN 
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<BR></SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
#068658; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law &amp; 
Policy</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
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<div><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; 
FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Tim Ruiz [<a 
href="mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:tim@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 
Monday, April 05, 2010 4:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Neuman, Jeff<BR><B>Cc:</B> 
Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean 
by "single registrant"?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">That's the slippery slope. Employees, vendors, what about contractors, 
customers, etc. Are millions of eBay buyers and sellers all to be considered 
vendors or contractors? What about Google widget developers and AdWords 
advertisers and publishers?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">Even considering just employees -&nbsp;BMW and Microsoft&nbsp;over 90,000 
each, IBM nearly 400,000.&nbsp;There are existing gTLDs that have less names. 
Those could be potential customers for .auto, .tech, .biz, .com or 
.whatever.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">Perhaps a&nbsp;creative thinking&nbsp;new gTLD operator&nbsp;should 
structure things so that all registrants in effect become 
vendors.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV>
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'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-------- Original 
Message --------<BR>Subject: RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean by "single 
registrant"?<BR>From: "Neuman, Jeff" &lt;Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: 
Mon, April 05, 2010 2:39 pm<BR>To: Tim Ruiz &lt;tim@xxxxxxxxxxx&gt;, Eric 
Brunner-Williams<BR>&lt;ebw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: 
"Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx" &lt;Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #00b050; 
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tim,</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; 
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #00b050; 
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">What is the rationale for making a brand-TLD use ICANN 
registrars if they are giving out domains to their employees or even 
vendors?&nbsp; I understand about giving names out to the public at large, but 
what is the benefit for the employees or vendors in having to use an icann 
registrar?&nbsp; If they gave them out to their employees and/or vendors, the 
Registry could still own the names, the names would be non-transferrable, and 
they are being used for a specific purpose.&nbsp; What is the value add of an 
ICANN-registrar?&nbsp; For example, if I want .neustar and want to give out a 
domain name to each of my employees, contractors and vendors to use for a 
specific purpose and once they ceased being an employee, contractor, vendor, 
etc., I took back the name, why would I have to use a registrar?&nbsp; 
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class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
#00b050; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Jeffrey J. Neuman</SPAN></B><B><SPAN 
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<BR></SPAN></B><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
#068658; FONT-SIZE: 9pt">Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law &amp; 
Policy</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: 
#7d7d7d; FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: 
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<div><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; 
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owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [<A href="mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx"; 
target=_blank><U><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"><a 
href="mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx</a></SPAN></U></A>]
 <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim Ruiz<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 05, 2010 3:19 
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Eric Brunner-Williams<BR><B>Cc:</B> 
Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean 
by "single registrant"?</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; 
COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">I would&nbsp;prefer this concept not be pursued right now at 
all,&nbsp;but if it is&nbsp;I&nbsp;prefer Single Registrant / Single User 
(SRSU) as the descriptor indicating that the Registry Operator(RO) is the sole 
registrant and user of the second level names and that if such 
names&nbsp;resolve, they resolve to a site/tool/resource that is 
produced/maintained solely by and for the 
RO.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">For example, 650i.bmw or coupes.bmw as sites produced by BMW for BMW 
marketing and promotion. Or search.msn or developers.msn as sites produced by 
Microsoft for internet search and developer 
support.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">However, if BMW and/or Microsoft want to offer their vendors, employees, 
customers, or anyone else domain names in their TLD, then they are no longer 
SRSU TLDs. If they want to set up private access to their systems for vendors, 
employees, customers, etc. they don't need a TLD in the public root to do that. 
In fact, many enterprises already have their own TLDs set up for such private 
use and access.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">The examples above use well known trademarks as TLDs so besides the SRSU 
issues, there is also the issue of having such marks in the public root and 
under contract to ICANN. How well will such IP owners deal with things like 
consensus policy,&nbsp;equitable treatment, enforcement actions, etc.? I may be 
paranoid, but I see how effectively IP interests are lobbied within ICANN and I 
guess I don't see them taking direction from a bottom up, process driven 
institution very well. And if a TLD string is one RO's IP, why should VeriSign 
and NeuStar not argue that com and biz are their IP properties 
respectively?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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<div><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 
10pt">Cliches like *can of worms* and *slippery slope* and *day in court* come 
to mind when I think of all this. So if the SRSU concept has to move forward, 
it should be with much&nbsp;caution and restraint until we can see and 
understand all the repercussions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></div></DIV></DIV>
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Message --------<BR>Subject: [gnso-vi-feb10] What do we mean by "single 
registrant"?<BR>From: Eric Brunner-Williams 
&lt;ebw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Mon, April 05, 2010 12:03 pm<BR>To: 
"Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx" &lt;Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR>One 
way of distinguishing something that doesn't yet exist, and for<BR>which we 
have no examples to point to, and the models for which we do<BR>have 
examples:<BR>- price capped "open" or "standard" gTLDs,<BR>- price uncapped 
"open" or "standard" gTLDs,<BR>- sponsored gTLDs, and<BR>- community-based 
gTLDs,<BR>is the single purpose or unitary agency of a single 
registrant.<BR><BR>Milton used "private" vs "public" to attempt the 
distinction, and<BR>Richard has used a "customer, member, employee, ..." 
relationship.<BR><BR>I've been trying to generalize because I don't think these 
get to the<BR>difference. We don't know or care why registrants use com/net/org 
...<BR>we used to care that .net registrants were access network operators 
or<BR>"in the wire trade", and that .org registrants were 
non-profit<BR>organizations, and that .com registrants were communists 
(humor).<BR><BR>The point is, there is no reason common to the registrants, 
other than<BR>the desire to use a namespace, complicated by preferences, for 
.com<BR>primarily, and accommodation to prior registrations, trademark 
claims,<BR>and so on.<BR><BR>In the case of a single registrant there is a 
reason common to the<BR>single registrant, and all of the registrations by that 
registrant.<BR>The reason will vary from registrant to registrant, asset 
management<BR>for one, liability management for another, accounts receivable 
for a<BR>third, customer care for a fourth, ...<BR><BR>I suggest it is the 
unity, or singularity of purpose that<BR>distinguishes most a "single 
registrant" from what we have -- the<BR>existing four types of present, and 
DAGvX anticipated registry<BR>contract types.<BR><BR>This doesn't answer 
several important questions:<BR>- what is the rational for excepting some asset 
or liability or<BR>accounts receivable or customer care or ... management tool 
from<BR>having more than one access channel? Is it size? Is it margin? Is 
it<BR>quality control?<BR>- are brand management solely instances of single 
registrant<BR>sufficiently different from asset or liability or ... instances 
to<BR>make policy differentiation?<BR>- what should the ICANN transactional fee 
be? Is $0.20, from the<BR>purposeless CNOBI market reasonable? Does it recover 
cost? Is it<BR>equitable where the entry is a brand? Is it equitable where the 
entry<BR>is a managed asset and the value of the registry is the savings 
using<BR>an ICANN namespace product rather than some other asset management 
tool?<BR><BR>I suggest that there are at least two kinds of "single 
registrant",<BR>what we call "brand" and what we call "customer" or "member" or 
...<BR>and that if, and only if, we decide that one or more of these kinds 
of<BR>"single registrant" be included in DAGv4, or DAGv5, that there 
are<BR>adequate gross differences to support differences in policy for 
these<BR>two kinds, and any other kinds which we come up 
with.<BR><BR>Eric<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: 
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