[npoc] Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications

[Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Milton,

Noted but not agreed. I don't see any value in further discussions. Please
not NPOC had no input in the NCSG charter.

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Milton L Mueller wrote:

>  Alain,****
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> Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs.
> non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association
> of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as
> non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade
> associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups.
> Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG.
> In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization
> be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this
> principle (although there has of course been debates about its
> application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.****
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> *Subject:* Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications****
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> Robin,****
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> A little immediate feedback:****
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> 1) ASCD-noted****
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> 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a
> "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy
> and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non
> commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the
> not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory
> authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
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> 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...****
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> I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to
> clear the backlog soonest.****
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> Alain
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> On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:****
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> Thks Robin,****
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> Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will
> now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.*
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> Best, Alain****
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> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:*
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> Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:****
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> 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.****
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> 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
> opposed to a true noncommercial organization. ****
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> 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of a
> focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).****
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> 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
> they filed, just submit that).****
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> Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
> this group expeditiously.****
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> Best,****
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> Robin****
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> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:*
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> Hi Alain,****
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> Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
> joined the EC *(Do you know which ones?)*.  Take a look at the current
> NCSG membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
> membership page 
> here<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Membership> so
> we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already accepted - *will do.****
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> And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
> yet *(which ones please)*.  If there are applications that were filed and
> not addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on
> this email list where applications go) or
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