[npoc] Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications

[Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Avri,

NPOC never had any input into NCSG charter.

On Friday, August 3, 2012, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to quote specific chapter and verse:
>
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Final+Approved+Current+NCSG+Charter
>
> "
> 2.2.1. Eligible organizations.
>
> ...
>
> 4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization should
> not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily noncommercial
> focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed of
> noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a
> noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial
> members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a
> commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)
>
> 2.2.2. Ineligible organizations.
>
> The membership of the NCSG specifically excludes:
>
> ...
>
> 2. Commercial organizations and associations that advocate for the benefit
> of commercial entities (even if they are non-profit in form);
>
> "
>
> As the one who negotiated the language with the Board and with ICANN Legal
> staff there was a very clear intent on all our parts to make sure that the
> differentiation between commercial and non-commercial was made.  We
> specifically did not depend on the non-profit language since this varies
> depending on national law, with many countries not even having such a
> status, while still having non-commercial entities.
>
> Best,
>
> avri
>
> On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:03, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> > Alain,
> > Just a reminder: we have had the discussion about non-profit status vs.
> non-commercial status many times before. The Recording Industry Association
> of America and the American Petroleum Institute are both set up as
> non-profit corporations, but in both cases they are commercial trade
> associations that directly and openly lobby for commercial interest groups.
> Thus, non-profit status is not, by itself, sufficient to qualify for NCSG.
> In our charter we require that the mission or purpose of the organization
> be noncommercial. There has never really been any controversy about this
> principle (although there has of course been debates about its
> application), so it is not true to say that Robin is being arbitrary.
> >
> > --MM
> >
> > From: ec-ncsg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> ec-ncsg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alain Berranger
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 5:15 PM
> > To: Robin Gross
> > Cc: ec-ncsg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; npoc@xxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [EC-NCSG] membership applications
> >
> > Robin,
> >
> > A little immediate feedback:
> >
> > 1) ASCD-noted
> >
> > 2) I disagree with the argument about CPA as the notion you invoke of a
> "true non commercial organization" - to use your words - is pretty fuzzy
> and arbitrary. If non commercial means  not for profit, then CPA is non
> commercial. To avoid these interpretations, NPOC simply  uses the
> not-for-profit status as defined per the national legal and regulatory
> authorities. It is not culturally appropriate or sensitive  to do otherwise.
> >
> > 3) ITAG - disagree - ITAG had NFP status under Gambian law...
> >
> > I will get back  to NCSG-EC on the remaining 9 applications in order to
> clear the backlog soonest.
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > On Wednesday, August 1, 2012, Alain Berranger wrote:
> > Thks Robin,
> >
> > Very useful to have the history from you. With that information, I will
> now work at our end and advise the NCSG-EC of developments as they occur.
> >
> > Best, Alain
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Okay, I've gone and done some research in the archives.  Looking at the
> list below and checking with the NCSG-EC records:
> >
> > 1.  ASCD was accepted as a NCSG member back in February.
> >
> > 2.  CPA was denied membership in Dec because it was deemed more
> appropriately an initiative of governments and business working together as
> opposed to a true noncommercial organization.
> >
> > 3.  ITAG's application was not accepted because it was too commercial of
> a focus for NCSG membership (Dec. 2011).
> >
> > 4.  We have not seen NCSG membership applications for the other
> organizations listed below.  So if these groups want to apply now, they
> should use the online form (or if you have a previous application to NCSG
> they filed, just submit that).
> >
> > Thank you.  I hope this can help to clear this up so we can move through
> this group expeditiously.
> >
> > Best,
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Robin Gross <robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Hi Alain,
> >
> > Some of those orgs were already accepted for NCSG membership before you
> joined the EC (Do you know which ones?).  Take a look at the current NCSG
> membership list which is available online from a link from NCSG's
> membership page here so we do not re-evaluate groups that we have already
> accepted - will do.
> >
> > And I don't think we've seen NCSG applications from some of those groups
> yet (which ones please).  If there are applications that were filed and not
> addressed, just provide a link to that application (it should be on this
> email list where applications go) or have the group use the online form so
> we can get a NCSG application from them. With our proposal, we are trying
> to avoid a second application from the original NPOC one. I think this
> proposal holds for at least some of the pending applicants.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Robin
> >
> > On Jul 24, 2012, at 6:46 AM, Alain Berranger wrote:m
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > These 12 pending appl



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