Re: [soac-newgtldapsup-wg] Additional Criteria "Indigenous Peoples"

[Richard Tindal <richardtindal@xxxxxx>]

I agree that the intended use of string should be a very important component in 
deciding who receives a funds
grant.

I also agree that the identity of the applicant is less important than the 
mission of the planned TLD --- however in order to satisfy 
current GAC Advice I think another criteria needs to be whether the grant 
recipient is from a developing country  
(and financially unable to operate the registry without the grant funds).

Richard 


On Apr 26, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Mike Silber wrote:

> 
> I think this is an excellent idea.
> 
> I previously raised a suggestion (quickly shot down by Avri) that the
> content or purpose of the string should be considered. I thought I would
> raise it again and see if there is any traction.
> 
> I have been trying to think of a hypothetical example so as not to
> offend anyone but I have struggled.
> 
> I would accordingly like to use as an example a possible new gTLD
> applicant that has been mentioned to me before namely .desi - now this
> is a community to which I do not belong, so please accept the example as
> one which contains no judgement but rather is multi-lingual and
> multi-national and to a greater extent multi-cultural. As it extends to
> multiple people across many countries, some extremely rich and many
> incredibly poor - I think it is useful.
> 
> As I understand it - the term "Desi" refers to people from the Indian
> sub-continent and the Wikipedia entry (yes I know how lame it looks to
> rely on the Wikipedia as an authoritative source) is very informative:
> 
> "people, cultures, and products of the Indian subcontinent
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent> and, increasingly, to
> the people, cultures, and products of their diaspora
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora>. Desi countries include India
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India> and Pakistan
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan>. There are large desi
> populations in (e.g.) the UK
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom>, US
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States>, Canada
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada>, and other western countries as well."
> 
> The entry on the etymology of the term is equally instructive:
> 
> "Hindi <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindi_language>: देसी, Urdu
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urdu>: دیسی, Punjabi
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_language>: ਦੇਸੀ, Marathi
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language>: देशी, Gujarati
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarati_language>: દેશી, Bengali
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_language>: দেশী, Tamil
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language>: தேசி, Telugu
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_language>: దేశీయుడు, Malayalam
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam_language>: ദേശി, Nepali
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepali_language>: देसी / देशी.
> 
> This ethnonym <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnonym> belongs in the
> endonymic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endonym> category (i.e. it is a
> self-appellation). Desi originated from the Sanskrit
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit> word देश /deśa-/ ("region,
> province, country"). Its first known usage is in the /Natya Shastra
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natya_Shastra>/ (~200 BC), where it
> defines the regional varieties of folk performing arts
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performing_arts>, as opposed to the
> classical, pan-Indian /margi/."
> 
> Now it is possible that an applicant for such a name will restrict its
> use to one community or one language or one script - however it is
> likely to be attractive to multiple communities, using multiple
> languages and multiple scripts.
> 
> Based on the current formulation a for profit applicant based in the
> subcontinent's diaspora (let us say the USA) is very unlikely to succeed
> in a request for assistance, while a not for profit applicant based for
> example in Nepal is quite likely to succeed, given the other criteria.
> HOWEVER the USE to which the string is intended to be used may be identical.
> 
> This in my view leads to problems of unequal treatment based on
> accidents of geography and more importantly the possibility of gaming
> the system.
> 
> Now I recognise that "purpose" is a difficult criterion to measure
> objectively and there is no provision in the RAA to hold an applicant to
> the purpose described (just have a look at the difficulties it has
> created in the sponsored TLD round). However it is in my view something
> that should be considered in evaluating requests for financial
> assistance. Not that the purpose has to be "not for profit" in all cases
> - I think a good case can be made for a profitable TLD sustaining a
> community objective.
> 
> Anyway - one more try and I will retire to my observer ivory tower.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> On 2011/04/26 06:16 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>> 
>> Alain,
>> 
>> Thank you for the complements. I agree that our work product will be
>> most useful if we provide overall guidance to the eventual
>> implementation body. It was for this purpose that I proposed the
>> following:
>> 
>> 
>> "Applications by Indigenous Peoples, as described in Article 1 of
>> Convention No. 169 of the International Labor Organization."
>> 
>> 
>> I could live with simply "Applications by Indigenous Peoples", but I
>> expected that some would want a definition or description of what is
>> meant by "Indigenous Peoples", hence the cite to Article 1 of ILO No.
>> 169.
>> 
>> This provides additional guidance to the guidance provided by
>> references to levels of development in UN Member States.
>> 
>> Eric
>