Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] International Legal Personality as a Qualification Criterion

[Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Alain,
certainly. No. 3 is in fact what I meant. Sorry for not being precise.

I was just seeking clarification since the terminology was not really 
congruent. 

Thanks,
Thomas

Am 16.01.2013 um 18:07 schrieb Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Hello and thanks Thomas,
> 
> The NPOC  proposal is for Qualification No. 3 ONLY as Qualification No. 1 
> (and 2) would exclude truly international organizations that are not 
> established by treaty. This would unduly favor the Public Sector Stakeholder 
> to the detriment of the Private and/or the Not-For-Profit Stakeholder, as 
> only governments can enter into treaties with other governments. I feel this 
> is essential to the robustness and balance of the MS model at ICANN, although 
> not everyone at ICANN currently agrees with the importance of that.
> 
> The test of establishing that an organization has an independent 
> international legal personality (ILP) is extremely arduous to meet and would 
> therefore not trigger a lot of applications for special protection (if that 
> is an objective for some!). To refer to concrete but purely hypothetical 
> exemples, and for illustrative purposes only, The Nature Conservancy or 
> Conservation International may be able to prove that it possesses an ILP, but 
> my own organization for instance (CECI - a large Canadian development NGO - 
> see http://www.ceci.ca/) could not aspire to possessing an ILP, let alone the 
> almost infinite myriad of small and micro NGOs in the world. This criteria 
> has the advantage of closing the "flood gates" for special protection 
> application, but does favor the very large INGOs with subtantial 
> international ramifications (Same as the treaty qualification though).
> 
> The reason NPOC supports this specific proposal is that it his part of its 
> vision to increase the relative involvement  of Civil Society in the DNS and 
> Internet Governance.
> 
> Of course, the other proposal that is not unpopular with some at NPOC is the 
> scenario of "protection for none or protection for all"...but that is another 
> discussion!!!!
> 
> Talk to you this afternoon...
> 
> Best, Alain
> 
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello Alain,
> is the proposal you made identical to the eligibility criteria for .int 
> registrations as described here?
> 
> http://www.iana.org/domains/int/policy
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> Am 10.01.2013 um 19:09 schrieb Alain Berranger <alain.berranger@xxxxxxxxx>:
> 
>> Thanks Berry, Dear IGO-INGO WG Colleagues,
>> 
>> To follow up on my statement in front of GNSO Council in San José during 
>> ICANN 43 as well as my intervention on yesterday's WG call, I would like to 
>> suggest that this Working Group kindly consider that "Possess a justified 
>> and documented International Legal Personality" (or words of that nature) be 
>> one of the Qualification Criteria. Given what I believe is a very stringent 
>> criterion, it should be sufficient for the few organizations that would be 
>> able to demonstrate and document that status, but not necessary for most 
>> other applicants for special protection.
>> 
>> Alain
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Berry Cobb <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Team,
>> 
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>> 
>> Please use v1.6 for this week’s changes/edits.
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>> 
>> Thank you.  B
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Berry Cobb
>> 
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