RE: [gnso-igo-ingo] Nature of the problem / Evidence of harm discussion

["Roache-Turner, David" <david.roacheturner@xxxxxxxx>]

Agree with Mary and Chuck also on this.  And in the distinct case of IGO’s 
(which are a limited class of public entity, created under international law, 
and thus different as a matter of both law and public policy from INGOs and 
trademark owners more generally) it is also notable that evidence of harm is 
not a requirement for protection of IGO names and acronyms under international 
law, or in many national jurisdictions giving direct effect to the latter (nor 
indeed, under the GAC Toronto advice on IGO protection, nor under the Board 
resolution on that topic).  I believe many of the salient distinctions between 
IGOs and INGOs in particular were very thoughtfully and sensibly drawn in 
Greg’s email of yesterday on that topic, and the question of the somewhat 
arbitrary and problematic nature of options presented thus far, a subject which 
IGOs have also touched on in our earlier submissions.
Best,
David
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From: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: mercredi, 13. février 2013 22:19
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Subject: RE: [gnso-igo-ingo] Nature of the problem / Evidence of harm discussion

Good point Mary.
Chuck

From: owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-igo-ingo@xxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Mary.Wong@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] Nature of the problem / Evidence of harm discussion


I'm still troubled by the eliding/conflation of "abuse" of a domain name by a 
third party and "harm" to the organization whose name is at issue. The former 
usually, but does not always, lead to the latter. Since ICANN is charged with 
coordinating the DNS, and a prior Working Group (on domain name registration 
abuse) had worked out a definition of what might constitute abusive 
registration (not use, which can slide uncomfortably into content regulation) 
of a domain name, should we not consider the question before us to simply be 
whether ICANN ought to protect INGOs against abusive registration of domain 
names corresponding to their names or acronyms?


In which case, evidence of harm *may* illustrate the need for such protections 
but does *not* necessarily equate to a justification (or not) one way or the 
other.


Cheers

Mary


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"Novoa, Osvaldo" <onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>


To:


Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>>


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Date:


2/12/2013 2:07 PM


Subject:


Re: [gnso-igo-ingo] Nature of the problem / Evidence of harm discussion


Thomas,
Yes, we think that if a sufficient number of governments have agreed to grant 
some type of protection we should do the same.
Best regards,
Osvaldo

El 12/02/2013, a las 16:53, "Thomas Rickert" 
<rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
 escribió:



Osvaldo,
thanks for your e-mail.

Am I correct to understand that the ISPs do not wish to see evidence of harm 
prior to moving forward considering protections?

Thanks,
Thomas

Am 12.02.2013 um 19:48 schrieb "Novoa, Osvaldo" 
<onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>>>:

>
> Sorry Thomas, I was traveling.
> In the ISPCP we discussed this point and our position is that if a sufficient 
> number of governments have given some kind of protection to these 
> organizations that should be enough for us.
> We,all know the kind of harm that could be done if they are not protected, 
> that is the reason for the RPM established, so we think there is no need for 
> proof that they have or may have suffered some kind of harm
> Best regards,
> Osvaldo
>
> El 12/02/2013, a las 16:42, "Thomas Rickert" 
> <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>  escribi??:
>
>
>
> All,
> some of you have responded to the below e-mail. May I ask those who have not 
> done so yet to please respond?
>
> Thanks,
> Thomas
>
>
> Am 07.02.2013 um 21:18 schrieb Thomas Rickert 
> <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx%3cmailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>><mailto:rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>
>>
>> All,
>> following up on yesterday's call I would like to ask all of you to answer 
>> either of the following questions. As you will remember, there was some 
>> debate surrounding the question if and what evidence of harm needs to be 
>> presented to the group and Chuck proposed the following questions, which I 
>> have modified a bit:
>>
>> 1. Are there those who want to see evidence of harm before considering 
>> granting protections?
>>
>> 2. Are there those who are requiring protections who are unwilling to 
>> provide information? If so, are you offering other or a subset of the 
>> information required according to the survey sheet.
>>
>> Please answer the question by next Tuesday.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>
>
>
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