Re: [gnso-restruc-dt] Q5 diversity by-law

[Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>]

Your proposed text works for me, but not the preamble sentence. I 
think that the SG will ultimately be involved in outreach, but to 
what extent they are the ones that do it need not be stated here. As 
I read your proposed text, it says the SG has a must allow or even 
invite members to increase diversity, which is what must be enshrined 
in their rules/procedures.
Alan

At 05/06/2009 02:59 PM, Avri Doria wrote:

> hi,
>
> I see the point.
>
> And while it is the SG that needs to make the outreach effort, it
> should be funded by ICANN.  does the following work:
>
> In terms of other forms of diversity, SG rules and procedures as well
> as ICANN funded outreach programs must be put into place to insure
> maximum possible diversity in all areas.
>
> a.
>
> On 5 Jun 2009, at 14:42, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
> > I strongly support Milton here. A quick scan of the proposed FY10
> > budget and plan yields 9 occurrences of the word "outreach" but none
> > of them seem to refer to the type of outreach mentioned here, or in
> > the BGC proposal which ultimately led to the new Council structure,
> > and which made reasonably clear that this was going to have to be an
> > ICANN-funded program.
> >
> > Perhaps it is in the budget/plan under some other rubric, and if so,
> > I would appreciate having it pointed out to me.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > At 05/06/2009 01:26 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with the policy but don't like the last sentence. The "must
> > > put into place outreach programs" language is what bothers me. To
> > > whom is this obligation directed? As a noncommercial stakeholder
> > > who has to struggle to support my own participation, I always
> > > bristle at these "unfunded mandates" that tell me to spend even
> > > more of my time and money to do "outreach" to unnamed others. It is
> > > a somewhat emotional response, rooted in ICANN-fatigue. But
> > > politically speaking I also resent the implication that the
> > > legitimacy of my own participation - which I perceive as both a
> > > right and a necessity to protect my own personal and organizational
> > > interests - is conditional upon my investing resources in getting
> > > other participants to show up. People are responsible for their own
> > > interests. If these rules and outreach programs apply to ICANN and
> > > its budget, fine. If you're throwing another burden on volunteer
> > > stakeholders who already devote time, money and effort to ICANN, no
> > > way. Clari!
> > > fy that and its ok with me.
> > >
> > > Milton Mueller
> > > Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> > > XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Internet Governance Project:
> > > http://internetgovernance.org
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:owner-gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:04 AM
> > > > To: gnso-restruc-dt@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [gnso-restruc-dt] Q5 diversity by-law
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > As the conversation on this has come to a lull and somewhat of an
> > > > impasse, I would like to suggest some phrasing that I hope helps in
> > > > reaching consensus on this important point.  In reading the
> > > > messages,
> > > > some of the important themes I picked up were:
> > > >
> > > > - there should be parity between the requirements on the SGs
> > > > - geographical diversity is necessary but difficult and may
> > > sometime
> > > > require exceptions
> > > > - other forms of diversity including but not limited to sector and
> > > > skill set are also important, but harder to define in a
> > > > manner that is
> > > > appropriate for by-laws.
> > > >
> > > > Building on a suggestion made by Jon, I suggest the following for
> > > > discussion:
> > > >
> > > > Stakeholder Groups should ensure their representation on the GNSO
> > > > Council is as diverse as possible, including but not limited to
> > > > geographical region, sector and in terms of skill set.  In order to
> > > > insure geographical diversity, no more then 1/3 of a single
> > > > Stakeholder groups representatives to the Council can come from any
> > > > single ICANN defined geographic region;  any exception to this
> > > > requirement must be approved by a 2/3 vote of both houses.  In
> > > terms
> > > > of other forms of diversity, SG rules and procedures as well as
> > > > outreach programs must be put into place to insure maximum possible
> > > > diversity in all areas.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > a.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >