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Re: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs

  • To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs
  • From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:16:12 +0100

Yes, that makes perfect sense.

Stéphane

Le 1 déc. 2009 à 19:19, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :

> 
> Mike,
> 
> Maybe I should have said "minimized" instead of "null".  It is probably
> impossible to completely eliminate all chances of user confustion.
> 
> My point is this: if two strings are confusingly similar but are offered
> in a way that minimizes the risks of user confusion, they should be
> allowed.  For example: if the chinese version of .asia is proposed, it
> is confusingly similar to the ASCII version of .asia; but if it is
> proposed by dotAsia, the same registry operator as for the ASCII
> version, and is offered in a way to minimize any confusion, there should
> be no problem with that.  In a case like that, there should be no need
> for extended evaluation.
> 
> Does that make sense?
> 
> Chuck 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Rodenbaugh
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:51 PM
>> To: gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> How do you mean "the chances of user confusion are null"?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> 
>> Mike Rodenbaugh
>> RODENBAUGH LAW
>> 548 Market Street
>> San Francisco, CA  94104
>> (415) 738-8087
>> http://rodenbaugh.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx 
>> [mailto:owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:59 AM
>> To: Avri Doria; gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs
>> 
>> 
>> Avri,
>> 
>> One of the main purposes of the restriction on confusingly 
>> similar strings was to avoid user confusion.  We talked about 
>> that a lot.  If the chances of user confusion are null, why 
>> would the strings be a concern?
>> 
>> Chuck 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:37 PM
>>> To: gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I do not remember any GNSO policy conversation that covered 
>> this point 
>>> and always assumed that this would be the mechanism for rectifying 
>>> such coincidences.
>>> 
>>> Are there any of the discussions in the policy recommendations that 
>>> give this impression?
>>> 
>>> a.
>>> 
>>> On 30 Nov 2009, at 19:04, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>> 
>>>> An extended evaluation shouldn't even be needed in cases
>>> like this.  
>>>> It was never intended that the confusingly similar
>>> restriction would
>>>> be used for variations of the same name by the same operator.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:owner-gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:45 AM
>>>>> To: gnso-idng@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-idng] rethinking IDN gTLDs
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would/could  this not be dealt in the extended evaluation
>>> stage where
>>>>> one requests an extended review of the rejection on the basis of 
>>>>> Confusing Similarity because there is no risk of adverse effect?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or do you think it should be a complicating factor in 
>> the initial 
>>>>> evaluation?  Do we need a stmt somewhere in the doc
>>> allowing for this
>>>>> possiblity?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally I think that using standard process for the 80%
>>> case and
>>>>> the extended review and other review/appeals processes for the 
>>>>> complicated questions (20%) is one of the more clever
>>> things in the
>>>>> GNSO recommendations that has been adequately, I think, 
>> translated 
>>>>> into the DAG.  I think one of the places where we run into
>>> problems
>>>>> is where people with the 20% concerns don't want to have
>>> to resort to
>>>>> the review processes, be it confusingly similar or geo names.
>>>>> 
>>>>> a.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Nov 2009, at 08:57, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's what I think is a simpler way to make my point: If the 
>>>>>>> problems anticipated by offering confusingly similar 
>> strings are 
>>>>>>> avoided, then the restriction of offering the strings is
>>>>> unneccessary.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We're not doing string comparison for the mathematical
>>>>> pleasure of describing the algebraic structure of 
>> semi-groups and 
>>>>> their generators, but because some non-algebraic property exists 
>>>>> outside of the universe of character repertoires and the strings 
>>>>> generated over them, some property with a lawyer attached.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> More broadly, some, if not all of the IRT issues are dealt
>>>>> with if the application is not considered in an 
>> artificial vacuum. 
>>>>> There's not a lot more gained by lawyering in the abstract
>>> than from
>>>>> string manipulation in the abstract.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, restrictions are context dependent, not absolute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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