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Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP

  • To: Kevin Erdman <krerdman@xxxxxxxx>, Holly Raiche <h.raiche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP
  • From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:05:34 +0100

Hi Kevin,

I think you misunderstood me. By UDRP2 I do not mean the same process, but a new process modeled on the UDRP precedures. Of course the questions that would have to be answered by the panels would be different from those asked in the current UDRP.

Basically:
1) Was the complainant the previous owner?
2) Can the previous owner show that the transfer/change of ownership occurred illegally?
3) Can the respondent demonstrate evidence to the contrary?

It remains a dispute between two parties: The previous owner and the current owner.
No need to drag anyone else in there as a party.

Volker
Hi Volker,
I agree that ownership issues are a key to this discussion. However, when the ownership issue only relates to a domain at a single registrar, traditional contract principles apply and make those situations a standard contractual dispute handled with regard to ICANN contracts and registrant-registrar contracts. The problem falls outside of this context when the domain is also transferred, so that multiple parties may be involved in resolving the ownership issue and that is the problem we are discussing—I believe that handling unauthorized ownership changes within a registrar is not part of our Charter. The UDRP explicitly does not deal with who should own a domain, rather one possible resolution of the UDRP procedure is the transfer of a domain name. The issues that a dispute resolution panel has to deal with is the the activities of the domain owner, the trademark rights of the complaint filer, and the question of whether the registration and/or use of the domain is in bad faith in light of the trademark rights. Ownership transfer is a possible form of relief, but not an issue that the dispute resolution panel evaluates. From the perspective of a registry, the UDRP involves some input and the output is who gets to own the domain. However, from the perspective of registrars and registrants, the UDRP is all about the nature and extent of trademark rights and the domain name in question. IMO, the only similarity between resolving ownership issues and the UDRP is the last step, that a form of relief may be a forced transfer of a domain. Otherwise, the UDRP does not deal with the ownership issues of which we are concerned.
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*From:* Volker Greimann <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 4:32 AM
*To:* Holly Raiche <mailto:h.raiche@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Kevin Erdman <mailto:krerdman@xxxxxxxx> *Cc:* Dorrain, Kristine <mailto:kdorrain@xxxxxxxxxxxx> ; James M. Bladel <mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx> ; Mike O'Connor <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx> ; gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP
Hi Kevin and Holly,

one aspect we noted previously was that the issues at hand look more like ownership issues than transfer issues, as the exact same problems for the registrant may exist when no transfer has taken place. Therefore a process that focusses on unauthorized ownership changes rather than transfers may be better to deal with the the actual problem.

And the issue of who should own a domain is more commonly dealt with under the UDRP (albeit under different conditions) than the TDRP, which does not deal with such issues at all, or only as a result from process violation.

Volker

Well said Kevin
Holly
On 04/12/2013, at 4:57 AM, Kevin Erdman wrote:

I disagree. The UDRP is designed to correct misbehavior of a valid domain name owner relating to that owner’s use of a domain name, namely that the use of a domain infringes the rights of a trademark owner. The basis of the complaint is not that the domain name owner did not validly register the domain, but rather that the use of the domain is a trademark violation. The facts and circumstances of the ownership of trademark rights and the trademark infringement are outside of the knowledge of the registrars and registries. The UDRP procedures are designed to get the facts in front of the dispute resolution panel to provide the trademark owner with a remedy to trademark infringement that may be difficult or impossible to obtain judicially. The TDRP is about correcting a bad domain transfer, and the circumstances of the transfer are mostly known to the registrars and registries, but there might be some oversight that a registrar or a registrant would want corrected. I think we should focus on where the TDRP leaves a registrant or a registrar without a remedy, and only provide more procedures for scenarios where a remedy is not currently available.
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*From:*Dorrain, Kristine <mailto:kdorrain@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:43 PM
*To:*'Volker Greimann' <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;James M. Bladel <mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>;Mike O'Connor <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
*Cc:*gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*RE: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP
I agree.
*From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:41 AM
*To:*Dorrain, Kristine; James M. Bladel; Mike O'Connor
*Cc:*gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP The issue of Trademark aside, I see many more similarities between the UDRP and the issue of legitimate ownership of a domain than between that issue and the TDRP. After all, both are disputes between parties about who should be the legitimate owner of a domain name.

So while we may not want to open the UDRP to new complaints, we may want to look at creating a UDRP2 that is designed for exactly these issues.

In both cases the registrar is asked to do certain things in preparation for the dispute and as its result, in both parts the question of the ultimate ownership of a domain name is decided by an independant panel.

Volker

    Just for the record, I think adding a Registrants option to the
    UDRP would be just as mucked up as adding it here.  In my humble
    opinion this warrants an entirely new policy or none at all.  We
    don’t need to reinvent the Rules….UDRPs Rules are great. Just
    create the Policy itself, which is entirely TM focused and would
    be a beast to open up to non-TM holders. J
    Kristine
    *From:*owner-gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>[mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx]*On
    Behalf Of*Volker Greimann
    *Sent:*Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:09 AM
    *To:*James M. Bladel; Mike O'Connor
    *Cc:*gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:*Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that
    sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now --
    registrant role in TDRP

    Hi James,

    excellent points there. I think the case with your example is
    that this is not actually a case where a registrar is a party to
    the dispute. Maybe it is a star witness required to provide the
    information only it can provide, but not a party. Those roles
    are better left to prior and current registrant.

    This however begs the question if ICANN should implement another
    process for registrants to solve their disputes, or if this may
    not be better relegated to a future re-design of the UDRP? We
    could for example make a recommendation that the UDRP be
    expanded to cover also domain ownership issues in any future
    revision of that policy.

    Best,

    Volker


        Good thoughts everyone.  I think perhaps we should try to
        capture the various scenarios in the “Reasons for Denial”
        area, where a registrar can legitimately deny a registrant’s
        request to initiate a TDRP.
        For example: if the Registrant believes that the identity of
        the registrant is in question, or that they cannot
        substantiate that they were ever the legitimate registrant
        (or Transfer Contact) for the name pre-transfer.  If its a
        scenario in which the registrar has violated the IRTP, (or
        even the shiny new TDRP we’re developing), then that is a
        matter for Compliance and the registrar's accreditation
        could be at-risk.  But we should avoid any process where a
        registrar is compelled to initiate a TDRP that they believe
        is without merit, -and- be forced to pay for the proceedings.
        Thanks—
        J.
        *From:*Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>
        *Date:*Tuesday, December 3, 2013 at 10:09
        *To:*Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
        *Cc:*"gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>"
        <gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx>>
        *Subject:*Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that
        sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now --
        registrant role in TDRP
        hi Volker,
        i'm trying to remedy the situation where a registrar is
        either in violation of the IRTP themselves (refusing to
        allow the registrant to transfer out) or is presumptively
        denying the registrant due process in a dispute between
        registrars.  this was recognized as an oversight in the
        policy back in the misty past when this series of IRTP PDPs
        was launched.
        i don't care how this happens.  registrars are probably in
        the best position to figure out the best way to get this
        done and i'm happy to leave that discussion up to them.  i
        like James' "put pressure on Registrars to comply" approach
        since that seems like a lighter/simpler one but i can live
        with anything that fixes that problem. what i'm not keen on
        the idea of leaving registrants in their current situation
        where these decisions get made "for them" by registrars with
        no recourse for trapped registrants except worldwide courts.
        On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:51 AM, Volker Greimann
        <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



        Hi Mike,

        you are assuming that registrants should be beneficiaries of
        the TDRP. They are not. Therefore a registrar not initiating
        a TDRP is not blocking the registrants access as they do not
        have such an access in the first place.

        If you want to give the registrant a way to force a
        registrar to initiate a proceeding against another
        registrar, that is another story, but that way needs to
        include an obligation of the registrant to pay the costs and
        a right of a registrar to charge for this service (to cover
        the work needed to handle the process).

        Volker


            i think the key distinction i want to draw is with your
            sentence "give registrants access to" the TDRP.  that's
            not the intent.  the intent is to ensure that
            registrants are not blocked from that process by their
            registrar.  the hope here is to provide an appeal
            mechanism in those cases where registrar and registrant
            disagree on whether a TDRP is warranted.  but i'm fine
            setting the bar for that appeal pretty high.
            On Dec 2, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Volker Greimann
            <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:



            I still feel that giving registrants access to the TDRP
            process dilutes its purpose as an inter-registrar
            dispute process designed to deal with process violations
            and will turn it into a transfer dispute process between
            registrants, dragging registrars and registries into a
            civil conflict between two parties. This will result in
            increased costs and work for contracted parties.

            If a registrar is violating transfer processes, there
            will be sufficient incentive for affected registrars to
            call them out and if necessary invoke the current process.

            What we need to look at instead is if creating an
            alternate process between registrant and former
            registrant regarding the ownership of a domain name
            makes sense.

            I am also a big fan of the line "He who wants to hear
            the music should pay for the band!", i.e. if a
            registrant wants a process to be invoked, he should be
            prepared to pony up the fees, just as with the UDRP.
            Adding a "loser pays" clause makes sense to me, but in
            that case it will remain the risk of the complainant
            that the respondent cannot pay/is unreachable/etc...

            Volker

                Provide the ability for the registrant to trigger
                the TDRP process in cases when they disagree with
                their registrar over an IRTP issue

                ·In general, registrars initiate TDRP when they
                can't resolve matters between themselves

                In the case of disagreement between registrar and
                registrant as to whether to initiate a TDRP, provide
                a path for the registrant to take the issue to
                Compliance

                Build minimum documentation requirements for
                registrants into the policy as a filter to prevent
                frivolous filings

                If Compliance agrees with registrant, TDRP proceeds
                as normal, with fees paid by registrars, as normal

                If Compliance disagrees with registrant, that's it
                -- it's off to court if the registrant wants to proceed.

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Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

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Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
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V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen 
Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder 
Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht 
nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder 
telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

--------------------------------------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com

Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems

CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu

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addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this 
email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an 
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