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Re: [gnso-osc] OSC Chair Position

  • To: Olga Cavalli <olgac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [gnso-osc] OSC Chair Position
  • From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:48:15 +0100

I definitely remember Chuck starting off as interim and staying in as chair 
because no-one else volunteered to take over. In fact, I remember us discussing 
this during the first OSC F2F meeting.

However, as I am getting on in years, my memory may be playing tricks on me. 
Maybe Chuck can shed some light or confirm...

On the topic of new OSC Chair, I offered myself as interim because I always 
strive to offer a solution when I point out a problem. When I approached Chuck 
to question whether being Chair of the OSC was too much of a load on his 
shoulders now, me being interim until the OSC decides on a permanent Chair 
seemed to be a simple way to allow Chuck to move out of the role quickly while 
not leaving the OSC chairless.

I am more than happy for someone else to take up the role. Perhaps the best way 
forward would be for the group to organise new Chair elections in the near 
future?

Olga, your email puzzles me. You say you agree with Avri. I suppose that means 
you also agree with her statement that she has "always been concerned about 
Chairs of subgroups 'reporting' to themselves as Chairs of the chartering 
body." As you manage several groups (Geo regions, travel drafting team, Work 
Prioritization Model drafting team) you find yourself as GNSO Council VC in 
exactly the same position you seem to agree is undesirable, several times over! 
So I am puzzled because to me it seems clear that even though you are VC, you 
play a valuable role in the groups you manage. In fact, I also see the 
responsibility of the chairs/vice chairs as one of getting involved in the 
various GNSO groups when and where doing so can help fill a void or getting the 
groups in question to work. We often have participation problems in our groups, 
so although I understand the theory of what Avri is saying and you seem to be 
supporting, in practice I think chair/vice chair participation often helps a 
lot, as your personal situation clearly shows.

Thanks,

Stéphane 

Le 26 déc. 2009 à 20:40, Olga Cavalli a écrit :

> Hi,
> In relation with the OSC leadership,  I do not recall that:
> 
> "Chuck started off as interim chair of the OSC and ended up staying chair 
> because no-one else volunteered to hold that role".
> 
> What I do remember is the conference call where Chuck started as chair and 
> myself as alternate chair. Maybe I am missing something, Stephane could you 
> please clarifly?
> 
> I agree with Avri that:
> 
> "While I think having a v-chair serve in the role is less deleterious then 
> having a chair serve, I still do not think of it as an optimum solution.
> 
> I personally think that after the membership of the OSC has been reconfirmed 
> by al the constituency/stakeholder groups that group of people should try to 
> figure this out.  And if the Council v-chair is the only volunteer then so be 
> it - though I am afraid that no one will volunteer once the v-chair has 
> volunteered for fear of alienating that v-chair.  And while I have no problem 
> with any of the individuals involved, I think it is a bad practice as it 
> prevents other leaders from emerging."
> 
> And I agree with this also being GNSO Council vice chair.
> 
> Regards
> Olga
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/12/26 Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I never knew that Chuck was only an interim chair - was there a continuing 
> attempt to find a non-interim chair?   To recruit one would have been an 
> interim chair's responsibility  - otherwise people would have felt they were 
> going up against the chair.  If that interim responsibility is to fall on the 
> v-chair now, that seems ok, a long as it really is an interim responsibility 
> and Stéphane will undertake that responsibility with a view to finding a 
> non-interim chair.
> 
> a.
> 
> On 26 Dec 2009, at 08:30, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
> > I approached Chuck a few days ago letting him know that if being chair of 
> > the OSC was turning out to be too heavy a load in addition to his duties as 
> > chair of the Council, I would be happy to step in and take over as chair of 
> > the OSC on an interim basis.
> >
> > As a reminder, Chuck started off as interim chair of the OSC and ended up 
> > staying chair because no-one else volunteered to hold that role. My logic 
> > therefore was that, if the load on Chuck was now too much (which seemed 
> > likely to me with Council duties), a "quick fix" was another interim chair 
> > until the group voted for a permanent one.
> >
> > I am therefore very much in favor of doing what Chuck suggests, and am 
> > happy to step in as interim if that helps get things moving and if the 
> > group is happy with that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stéphane
> >
> > Le 24 déc. 2009 à 20:20, Gomes, Chuck a écrit :
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks for getting the discussion started Avri.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:owner-gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:24 PM
> >>> To: gnso-osc@xxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: [gnso-osc] OSC Chair Position
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for opening this up for discussion.
> >>>
> >>> As you probably know, I have always been concerned about
> >>> Chairs of subgroups 'reporting' to themselves as Chairs of
> >>> the chartering body.  I tend to think that it confuses the
> >>> ability of the person to both be objective and neutral in the
> >>> chartering group and strongly represent their chartered
> >>> group. As chair of the OSC you are charged with representing,
> >>> as strongly as possible, the needs and decisions of the  OSC,
> >>> while on the other hand as Chair of the Council you are
> >>> required to handle the requests of all subgroups in a neutral
> >>> and objective manner. It is difficult to be both a strong
> >>> advocate of a group and neutral about that group at the same
> >>> time.  I must admit, I have the same concerns for v-chairs
> >>> and believe that the chairs/v-chairs (and often even the
> >>> members) of the chartering groups should not chair subgroups
> >>> except in emergency situations and then only briefly.
> >>>
> >>> I also think that in the effort to spread the responsibility
> >>> around among the stakeholder groups, it is important to reach
> >>> out and to get a diverse group of leaders whenever possible.
> >>>
> >>> a.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 24 Dec 2009, at 11:38, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> As all of you know, I was elected OSC chair when I was
> >>> Council Vice Chair.  It has been brought to my attention that
> >>> it might be worth considering whether we should revisit the
> >>> OSC chair role now that I am Council Chair.  I am certainly
> >>> open to that and would welcome your thoughts in that regard.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Olga Cavalli, Dr. Ing.
> www.south-ssig.com.ar

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