OFF TOPIC: [gnso-vi-feb10] word police was the "it excludes some applicants" argument
- To: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>, "Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx" <Gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: OFF TOPIC: [gnso-vi-feb10] word police was the "it excludes some applicants" argument
- From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:45:50 -0400
This discussion is getting out of hand and frankly is not really helpful for us
to make progress on VI. I would ask that anyone that wants to send messages
like these on the list unrelated to the substance please include the words "OFF
TOPIC" in the subject. This way those of us who struggle to read all of the on
topic messages can choose to skip these in the future.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
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From: owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-vi-feb10@xxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [gnso-vi-feb10] word police was the "it excludes some applicants"
As we collect more and more words we are not allowed to used in the ICANN
(News Headline: Forget TLDs ICANN now defines new four letter words!)
i want to take issue on the definitional front.
i have little to say about the insult front as I know that with a little bit of
effort i could insult someone using any almost any word in the dictionary,
just depends on how i use it, and whether they are ready to take offense. kind
of like fouls in futbol.
On 9 Jul 2010, at 13:47, Brian Cute wrote:
> First as one of the organizers of the web site in question, along with PIR
> and Neustar, I take no personal offence to Milton's use of the word "jihad."
> I would only note that the word jihad means either a "holy war" (overly used
> and a sometimes incorrect interpretation by non-Muslims) or an "internal,
> individual, spiritual struggle toward self-improvement, moral cleansing and
> intellectual effort." It's safe to say that our collective efforts to
> vigorously advocate for a policy solution within the ICANN process doesn't
> square with the meanings of the word.
among the definitions i found are:
- A crusade or struggle:
"The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who
- a crusade for a principle or belief
- An aggressive campaign for an idea.
- (theology) a personal spiritual struggle for self-improvement and
- relentless campaign: a relentless campaign against somebody or
- a fanatic campaign for or against an idea, etc.; crusade
- any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
Arabic jihd, from jahada, to strive; see ghd in Semitic root
I leave it up to people's judgements whether creating a web site e.g.
Supporting True Intra-Registry Separation to Help Prevent Insider Trading
qualifies for any of these definitions.
Now the real problem I see is that using this bad bad word probably got
various country's security services to start reviewing our email.