Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP

[Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As an aside n this, ICANN already weeds out frivolous complaints. Whois 
complaints have tremendously improved over the past 2 years due to ICANN 
staff at least lookijng at them before forwarding.
And we also see a few transfer complaints coming trough ICANN. These are 
usually easily resolved as it was about a reseller that went under oder 
incommunicado and the registrant needed their auth-codes.
So what I am getting at is that there already is such a function in 
place within ICANN compliance that deals with registrant complaints over 
registrars.
Volker


> I'm not disagreeing.  I'm thinking about this from a capacity concern.
>
> In order to find the registrant disputes that qualify as a registrar violation, 
> ICANN will have to sift through a lot of claims.  Some meritorious, some 
> marginally so, many a complete waste of time.  This is particularly true 
> because ICANN compliance doesn't charge to investigate claims, so there is no 
> harm to a registrant for whining to ICANN about frivolous matters.
>
> While, from an academic standpoint, ICANN compliance maybe "should" weed out 
> registrant concerns with their registrars, one by one, if they do not have the capacity, 
> tossing this to compliance will have the same effect as doing nothing.
>
> Perhaps the conversation is heading towards how to recommend ICANN deal with 
> this or we recommend a staff person be hired, whatever. I just think that 
> whatever we propose, we need to be mindful of the practicalities of it as well.
>
> Kristine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of Volker Greimann
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 3:27 AM
> To: Mike O'Connor; gnso-irtpd@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [gnso-irtpd] here's the little summary of that sequence of events 
> i rattled off on the call just now -- registrant role in TDRP
>
>
> Maybe I can answer this one:
>
> The role of compliance is to investigate compliance issues with regard to 
> registrar obligations under the RAA and compliance policies. If either the 
> gaining or losing registrar is found by compliance to have violated its 
> obligations, enforcement action by compliance would include giving that 
> registrar time to fix the breach, i.e. solve the registrants issue.
>
> Volker
> > hi Rob,
> >
> > can you expand on why you prefer the idea that Compliance get's involved over 
> > making a determination?  i think we're on to something here, so i'm just 
> > looking for ideas on what the appropriate role would be for Compliance, not 
> > trying to mousetrap you.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > mikey
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:24 AM, "Rob Golding" <rob.golding@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > > so can we say that in cases where the registrant and their registrar
> > > > disagree about the merits of the case, they should go to Compliance
> > > > for a determination?
> > > For compliance to get involved, yes.
> > >
> > > Rob
> > PHONE: 651-647-6109, FAX: 866-280-2356, WEB: www.haven2.com, HANDLE:
> > OConnorStP (ID for Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)
> --
> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / 
> www.BrandShelter.com
>
> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen 
> Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder 
> Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht 
> nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder 
> telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net www.domaindiscount24.com / 
> www.BrandShelter.com
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is 
> addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this 
> email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an 
> addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the 
> author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.

--
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com

Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems

Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen 
Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder 
Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht 
nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder 
telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

--------------------------------------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com

Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
www.facebook.com/KeySystems
www.twitter.com/key_systems

CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
www.keydrive.lu

This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is 
addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this 
email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an 
addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the 
author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.