Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Re: TRAVEL DRAFTING TEAM COMMENTS NEEDED - Travel funding request from the Vertical Integration WG co-chairs

[Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Avri, I made this question a while ago.
I do not feel there is consensus in the group for asking funding this time
to ICANN staff for them to participate, this is my understanding now.
We will address this idea during our face to face meeting in Brussels.
Olga


2010/5/26 Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>

>
> Hi,
>
> Doesn't one of them belong to a SG/Constituency? Can they help him?
>
> a.
>
>
>
> On 26 May 2010, at 16:42, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>
> > Olga,
> >
> > We are just days away from Brussels. What should I tell the VI WG
> co-chairs (neither have committed to being in Brussels without funding at
> this point as far as I know)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stéphane
> >
> > Le 26 mai 2010 à 17:17, Olga Cavalli a écrit :
> >
> >> Stéphane,
> >> as chair of the drafting team I am not in the position of deciding
> anything, my role is just facilitating the dialogue and help sumarizing what
> was said in the list.
> >> Based on what was written here I understand that for this next meeting
> in Brussels one of the co-chairs of the Vi working group will be there and
> the other can participate remotely.
> >> If this is correct then you should communicate this to the group. If not
> please lets continue with the exchange of ideas.
> >> Also please note that during the meeting with Travel staff in Brussels
> we will bring this issue as a topic of our agenda.
> >> Regards
> >> Olga
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/5/26 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Olga,
> >>
> >> What is the decision you are making as chair of this DT? I am happy to
> communicate whatever decision you make to the co-chairs, as Council liaison.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Stéphane
> >>
> >> Le 25 mai 2010 à 23:41, Olga Cavalli a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> thanks everyone for the active exchange of ideas.
> >>>
> >>> As I have mentioned before, the Travel drafting team has already
> scheduled a meeting with Kevin Wilson and Icann travel staff in Brussels to
> discuss this and other issues of interest related with travel funding, like
> participation in Board meeting  on Fridays and possible funded participation
> in outreach activities.
> >>>
> >>> All of you are welcome to join in this meeting, I will send an email
> before to organize these items in the agenda and summarizing comments that
> have been already expressed in this list, also any other ideas are welcome.
> >>>
> >>> As per the participation of VI co-chairs in Brussels, for what I have
> read in the list one possible situation could be:
> >>>
> >>> - one co chair is participating
> >>> - the other co chair could participate remotely
> >>>
> >>> Is this correct?
> >>>
> >>> As per remote charing, I did this in Nairobi with the OSC CSG WT that I
> chair , as I was not be there for personal reasons, and the meeting went
> very well.
> >>>
> >>> Another question, which would be the way to communicate this to the
> co-chairs? Are you Stéphane as liaison to the group the one to communicate
> this or it should be done by the GNSO?
> >>>
> >>> Your comments are welcome and thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Olga
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/25 <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Thanks Maria. Completely agree.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>> From: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:58:46 -0400
> >>> To: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Cc: Avri Doria<avri@xxxxxxx>; <gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Subject: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Re: TRAVEL DRAFTING TEAM COMMENTS NEEDED
> - Travel funding request from the Vertical Integration WG co-chairs
> >>>
> >>> Well that all sounds pretty reasonable to me: i.e. the travel can't be
> supported this time but Avri's suggestion for making slots available could
> help in the future.  It seems that the group can manage well enough without
> a co-chair being physically present on this occasion, and there is no need
> to risk adding a precedent to the ever-expanding set of exceptions and
> emergencies.
> >>>
> >>> All the best, Maria
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/25 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I absolutely did not need to imply that they were unwilling to
> pay, of course they may not have the means. As stated before, I don't even
> think there's any need for discussion on the fact that they are working to
> help Icann and therefore, whether they have the means or not, should not be
> expected to foot the bill for coming. On the other hand, if Icann puts on
> proper remote participation capabilities, they don't need to be physically
> there so that works as well. I can coordinate the meeting on the ground, if
> that is the option they run with.
> >>>
> >>> Stéphane
> >>>
> >>> Le 25 mai 2010 à 19:10, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > Have the council liaison chair the meeting with the assistance of the
> Policy Staff coordinator for the Working Group?
> >>> >
> >>> > Note: it may not be a willingness to pay, it may also be the ability
> to pay.
> >>> >
> >>> > a.
> >>> >
> >>> > On 25 May 2010, at 13:07, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> What should we do if none of the co-chairs are willing to pay their
> own way to come?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Le 25 mai 2010 à 18:31, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hi,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If at least one of the co-chairs will be there. I am probably ok
> with the answer.  And assuming that there will be good remote facilities in
> the meeting room, the WG should be able to get by.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> a.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 25 May 2010, at 12:23, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> You make a good point and I was asking myself the same question.
> We can work on a long-term solution, but I frankly don't see any way of
> coming up with one for this short term need.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I was thinking I should go back to the VI co-chairs and tell them
> that there's really nothing that can be done at such short notice.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Do people agree with that approach?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Stéphane
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Le 25 mai 2010 à 18:18, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> On 25 May 2010, at 09:16, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But I think the important point here is: can the Council as a
> whole step in and donate a slot in cases such as these, and would that be a
> fair and practical way of dealing with issues such as this one?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Something like:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Every SG will donate N (orN/2 depending on the number of slots
> available to the SG) travel slots a year for emergency needs such as getting
> a WG chair to a meeting?  And if this is what the team decides I will take
> it back to the NCSG with my personal support (yes and including the
> recommendation that we would do our fair share)
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> But who would go first to solve the issue this time?  Obviously
> sometimes the person is a member of a particular SG group so hopefully they
> can do this.  But sometime she or he won't be.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Otherwise, are there any suggestions on the way to solve this
> since mine seems so very shot down.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> a.
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