Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Re: TRAVEL DRAFTING TEAM COMMENTS NEEDED - Travel funding request from the Vertical Integration WG co-chairs

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

I will let the co-chairs know there is no possibility of funding for them for 
Brussels.

Stéphane

Le 26 mai 2010 à 23:05, Olga Cavalli a écrit :

> Thanks Avri, I made this question a while ago.
> I do not feel there is consensus in the group for asking funding this time to 
> ICANN staff for them to participate, this is my understanding now.
> We will address this idea during our face to face meeting in Brussels.
> Olga
> 
> 
> 2010/5/26 Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Doesn't one of them belong to a SG/Constituency? Can they help him?
> 
> a.
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 16:42, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
> > Olga,
> >
> > We are just days away from Brussels. What should I tell the VI WG co-chairs 
> > (neither have committed to being in Brussels without funding at this point 
> > as far as I know)?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stéphane
> >
> > Le 26 mai 2010 à 17:17, Olga Cavalli a écrit :
> >
> >> Stéphane,
> >> as chair of the drafting team I am not in the position of deciding 
> >> anything, my role is just facilitating the dialogue and help sumarizing 
> >> what was said in the list.
> >> Based on what was written here I understand that for this next meeting in 
> >> Brussels one of the co-chairs of the Vi working group will be there and 
> >> the other can participate remotely.
> >> If this is correct then you should communicate this to the group. If not 
> >> please lets continue with the exchange of ideas.
> >> Also please note that during the meeting with Travel staff in Brussels we 
> >> will bring this issue as a topic of our agenda.
> >> Regards
> >> Olga
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/5/26 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Olga,
> >>
> >> What is the decision you are making as chair of this DT? I am happy to 
> >> communicate whatever decision you make to the co-chairs, as Council 
> >> liaison.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Stéphane
> >>
> >> Le 25 mai 2010 à 23:41, Olga Cavalli a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> thanks everyone for the active exchange of ideas.
> >>>
> >>> As I have mentioned before, the Travel drafting team has already 
> >>> scheduled a meeting with Kevin Wilson and Icann travel staff in Brussels 
> >>> to discuss this and other issues of interest related with travel funding, 
> >>> like participation in Board meeting  on Fridays and possible funded 
> >>> participation in outreach activities.
> >>>
> >>> All of you are welcome to join in this meeting, I will send an email 
> >>> before to organize these items in the agenda and summarizing comments 
> >>> that have been already expressed in this list, also any other ideas are 
> >>> welcome.
> >>>
> >>> As per the participation of VI co-chairs in Brussels, for what I have 
> >>> read in the list one possible situation could be:
> >>>
> >>> - one co chair is participating
> >>> - the other co chair could participate remotely
> >>>
> >>> Is this correct?
> >>>
> >>> As per remote charing, I did this in Nairobi with the OSC CSG WT that I 
> >>> chair , as I was not be there for personal reasons, and the meeting went 
> >>> very well.
> >>>
> >>> Another question, which would be the way to communicate this to the 
> >>> co-chairs? Are you Stéphane as liaison to the group the one to 
> >>> communicate this or it should be done by the GNSO?
> >>>
> >>> Your comments are welcome and thanks again.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Olga
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/25 <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Thanks Maria. Completely agree.
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>> From: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:58:46 -0400
> >>> To: Stéphane Van Gelder<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Cc: Avri Doria<avri@xxxxxxx>; <gnso-travel-dt@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Subject: Re: [gnso-travel-dt] Re: TRAVEL DRAFTING TEAM COMMENTS NEEDED - 
> >>> Travel funding request from the Vertical Integration WG co-chairs
> >>>
> >>> Well that all sounds pretty reasonable to me: i.e. the travel can't be 
> >>> supported this time but Avri's suggestion for making slots available 
> >>> could help in the future.  It seems that the group can manage well enough 
> >>> without a co-chair being physically present on this occasion, and there 
> >>> is no need to risk adding a precedent to the ever-expanding set of 
> >>> exceptions and emergencies.
> >>>
> >>> All the best, Maria
> >>>
> >>> 2010/5/25 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I absolutely did not need to imply that they were unwilling to 
> >>> pay, of course they may not have the means. As stated before, I don't 
> >>> even think there's any need for discussion on the fact that they are 
> >>> working to help Icann and therefore, whether they have the means or not, 
> >>> should not be expected to foot the bill for coming. On the other hand, if 
> >>> Icann puts on proper remote participation capabilities, they don't need 
> >>> to be physically there so that works as well. I can coordinate the 
> >>> meeting on the ground, if that is the option they run with.
> >>>
> >>> Stéphane
> >>>
> >>> Le 25 mai 2010 à 19:10, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> > Hi,
> >>> >
> >>> > Have the council liaison chair the meeting with the assistance of the 
> >>> > Policy Staff coordinator for the Working Group?
> >>> >
> >>> > Note: it may not be a willingness to pay, it may also be the ability to 
> >>> > pay.
> >>> >
> >>> > a.
> >>> >
> >>> > On 25 May 2010, at 13:07, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> What should we do if none of the co-chairs are willing to pay their 
> >>> >> own way to come?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Le 25 mai 2010 à 18:31, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hi,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If at least one of the co-chairs will be there. I am probably ok with 
> >>> >>> the answer.  And assuming that there will be good remote facilities 
> >>> >>> in the meeting room, the WG should be able to get by.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> a.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On 25 May 2010, at 12:23, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> You make a good point and I was asking myself the same question. We 
> >>> >>>> can work on a long-term solution, but I frankly don't see any way of 
> >>> >>>> coming up with one for this short term need.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I was thinking I should go back to the VI co-chairs and tell them 
> >>> >>>> that there's really nothing that can be done at such short notice.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Do people agree with that approach?
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Stéphane
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Le 25 mai 2010 à 18:18, Avri Doria a écrit :
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> On 25 May 2010, at 09:16, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> But I think the important point here is: can the Council as a 
> >>> >>>>>> whole step in and donate a slot in cases such as these, and would 
> >>> >>>>>> that be a fair and practical way of dealing with issues such as 
> >>> >>>>>> this one?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Something like:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Every SG will donate N (orN/2 depending on the number of slots 
> >>> >>>>> available to the SG) travel slots a year for emergency needs such 
> >>> >>>>> as getting a WG chair to a meeting?  And if this is what the team 
> >>> >>>>> decides I will take it back to the NCSG with my personal support 
> >>> >>>>> (yes and including the recommendation that we would do our fair 
> >>> >>>>> share)
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> But who would go first to solve the issue this time?  Obviously 
> >>> >>>>> sometimes the person is a member of a particular SG group so 
> >>> >>>>> hopefully they can do this.  But sometime she or he won't be.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Otherwise, are there any suggestions on the way to solve this since 
> >>> >>>>> mine seems so very shot down.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> a.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
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