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Richard Flint |
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Sat, October 21, 2000 at 3:56 PM GMT |
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WHY YOU SHOULD OPPOSE THIS |
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Since no-one else seems to have anything but praise
for this proposal, I am obligated to reply again.Let us be clear about this
proposal. We are not talking about the growing and significant trade union presence
on the internet, despite the best efforts of international trade union bureaucrats,
there is a vibrant workers presence on the web. This proposal, which
I have read and would strongly urge others to, is about creating a restrictive
and closed internet domain that will be administered by the ominous ICFTU
“family” who will decide who is “bona-fide” and who is not. Most disturbing
of all will be the automatic approval of any organization already in the “family”.
While it is true that these organizations have wonderful constitutions that require
internal democracy and freedom, these documents are best compared to the old
USSR Constitution. Have a look for yourself at the list of affiliates.
There are many significant “bona fide” union organizations who are not members
of the “family”. it is significant that this proposal is not backed by anyone
outside this group. Where is the European trade union confederation (ETUC)? Europeans
affiliate a number of organizations that are not members of the “family”. The
largest union in the country where the ICFTU is based, for example. The union
Confederation in Québec, the CSN, was refused admittance to the “family”.
Let us also be clear about who this “family” really is. The ICFTU is an international
federation of national trade union centres and the industrial federations (ITSs)
consist mostly of national organizations. In the Anglo world, there is generally
only one national union organizations, but in many areas there are many different
national federations and local disputes are often organized by diverse groups
of workers from different groups or even none. Yet this proposal will not help
these people. There is often a conflict between local strikers and the ICFTU
family members. We all know which side the new domain will be on. If there is
a dispute between a new local group and an existing family member, the proposal
is clear about who will prevail. There is also a disturbing reference to respecting
law. In many countries, genuine trade union activity is illegal. In the country
where I live at the moment, England, trade union solidarity action is illegal
and trade unions can be stripped of their assets for supporting striking members.
In a recent example, dockers in Liverpool were refused support from their own
national organizations, who happened to be good members of the ICFTU “family”.
Nevertheless these workers used the internet to build international solidarity
action. I am sure that their web site would have been refused by the “family”. The
problem can occur almost anywhere and this proposal should not be supported.
It is also worth noting that this proposal cost someone $50,000... When the Cold
War was in full swing, the American government gave the ICFTU lots of money and
the Russians gave to the WFTU. Clever people like the Nigerian Labour Congress
got money from both sides regularly, there were a lot of study trips to Moscow
and Washington. Now the money has gone. But $50,000 could be used to support
connecting many trade unions to the web. We should support the growing use of the
internet by trade unions and other social campaigns and not be diverted
by Cold War relics like the ICFTU.
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- Support for .union lobo, October 26 @ 10:58 AM (0/0)
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- Approve ".union" Internet extension Timothy Engels, October 25 @ 1:47 PM (0/0)
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- connect the dots mbj, October 21 @ 8:42 PM (0/0)
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- Support for dot .syndicat LeGrand, October 20 @ 11:16 PM (0/0)
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- I support .union kilmer, October 20 @ 8:31 PM (1/1)
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- Support for dot.union leppik, October 20 @ 9:30 AM (0/0)
- Not a good idea Richard Flint, October 19 @ 9:30 PM (1/1)
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- tld.union arun, October 19 @ 3:51 AM (0/0)
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